re: Asian store owner fights back. Thwarts robbery and stabs thug multiple times

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The owner will have to justify himself by saying he thought he needed to preemptively attack because he was somehow threatened. The video doesn’t appear to show a threat, implied or otherwise, just an attempt to steal. Was the act of jumping over the counter enough to present a reasonable threat?

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In civil society, particularly in businesses vulnerable to robbery, there is a clear barrier in place to protect the employees. It’s not like an Apple Genius Bar or a Verizon Store where everyone is free to walk anywhere.

When you violate the norms to the extent of hopping over a barrier in a way that prevents a store owner from safe retreat, a reasonable person should absolutely believe there is an imminent threat of at least serious bodily injury (which is an acceptable threshold for lethal force).

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What if he had calmly just walked around the counter to take something, justifiable to kill for that?

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But that didn’t happen, did it. Why did the criminal not make that choice? One is clearly more aggressive and threatening than the other, particularly when the store owner is cornered. His choice instead was to advance by hopping a counter right where the law abiding store owner was just standing and enter personal protected space while having his identity concealed.

If you’re the type of guy that does not recognize the difference between calmly walking around a counter wearing clothes that signal “I’m no threat” with identity in full view, and hopping a counter dressed to conceal identity and any possible weaponry, you won’t live long in a dog eat dog environment such as this vulnerable store owner.

Stay out of the legal practice, and please stay off of juries.

Yeah, you don’t want to frick with a Chinese guy. They’re very fond of knives and are quick vicious mother frickers. Don’t let their size fool you.

Reading some of the replies - some think the owner should have stopped and broke out his phone and checked the laws to see if he could defens himself - while a masked man in full winter dress (in summer) and his accomplice jump over your counter and you have no escape.

Criminals need reasons not to commit crime. Soft leftist DA’s do nothing but self defense goes a long ways. Its an instant decision whereas online lawyers have all the time in world to decide how they should act. In the end another criminal won’t be jumping anymore counters.

The best part is when he drags him from behind the counter and dumps him like hes taking out the trash.

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Hooded and jumps counter = full unqualified justification to kill, apparently.

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How often do people commit a robbery like that unarmed? I would assume it is extremely rare. I would start with the assumption they are armed, especially when they are robbing the place in what appears to be the middle of the day. Then somebody being brazen enough to jump the counter and start grabbing items with the clerk standing right there. That would further lead me to believe the lack of fear is because they are armed.

I think if somebody presents themselves as a robber like that, that should be a threat enough to justify force. David Dorn went to check on his friend's store alarm and the end result was him shot and killed. If he had the legal right to walk up and start blasting the thieves based on a legally supported assumption of threat by their actions, he would be alive and the world would be a safer place without those thieves.

If this clerk ends up in jail, it is because our laws are too lenient on criminals.

Why can’t you watch the video, it goes to a go fund me page!

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Imagine security or police getting to shoot every thief trying to run out of Walmart. Fun to think about, but not legal.

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What beautiful thought

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Hooded and jumps counter = full unqualified justification to kill, apparently.

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If dude was naked and clearly unarmed, there’s no conversation to have. He lives.

If you make the extra effort to cause others to fear for their safety, be ready to take it from those you wanted to fear you.

That little punk thought he was going to score some easy vape cartridges.

He got more than he bargained for though.

If only every thief received this kind of treatment; the world would be a better place.

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If dude was naked and clearly unarmed, there’s no conversation to have. He lives.

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Sorry if he was naked, that's a while different type of scary. Sorry, naked guy does same thing, guy is crazy, on drugs or both. Owner still stabs him.

And honestly, strong armed Robert like that where the guy tries to steal by intimidation, knife is fair use. I don't care what the guy is wearing.