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Andrew Hill - Researcher for Sale - Ivermectin related

Posted on 8/17/22 at 6:28 am
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/17/22 at 6:28 am
I came across the video of a taped Zoom call between Dr. Andrew Hill and Dr. Tess Lawrie.

quote:

On Jan. 6 of 2021, Hill testified enthusiastically before the NIH COVID-19 Treatment Guidlelines Panel in support of ivermectin’s use. Within a month, however, Hill found himself in what he describes as a “tricky situation.” Under pressure from his funding sponsors, Hill then published an unfavorable study. Ironically, he used the same sources as in the original study. Only the conclusions had changed. Shortly before he published, Dr. Tess Lawrie, Director of the Evidence-based Medicine Consultancy in Bath, England, and one of the world’s leading medical research analysts, contacted Hill via Zoom and recorded the call (transcript below). Lawrie had learned of his new position and reached out to try to rectify the situation.


LINK

quote:

Lawrie then asks again: Would you tell me? I would like to know who pays you as a consultant through WHO?

Hill: It’s Unitaid.

Lawrie: All right. So who helped to … Whose conclusions are those on the review that you’ve done? Who is not listed as an author? Who’s actually contributed?

Hill: Well, I mean, I don’t really want to get into, I mean, it … Unitaid …

Lawrie: I think that . . . it needs to be clear. I would like to know who, who are these other voices that are in your paper that are not acknowledged? Does Unitaid have a say? Do they influence what you write?

Hill: Unitaid has a say in the conclusions of the paper. Yeah.

Lawrie: Okay. So, who is it in Unitaid, then? Who is giving you opinions on your evidence?

Hill: Well, it’s just the people there. I don’t …

Lawrie: So they have a say in your conclusions.

Hill: Yeah.

Lawrie: Could you please give me a name of someone in Unitaid I could speak to, so that I can share my evidence and hope to try and persuade them to understand it?

Hill: Oh, I’ll have a think about who to, to offer you with a name … but I mean, this is very difficult because I’m, you know, I’ve, I’ve got this role where I’m supposed to produce this paper and we’re in a very difficult, delicate balance …

Lawrie: Who are these people? Who are these people saying this?

Hill: Yeah … it’s a very strong lobby …

Lawrie: Okay. Look, I think I can see kind of a dead end, because you seem to have a whole lot of excuses, but, um, you know, that to, to justify bad research practice. So I’m really, really sorry about this, Andy.

I really, really wish, and you’ve explained quite clearly to me, in both what you’ve been saying and in your body language that you’re not entirely comfortable with your conclusions, and that you’re in a tricky position because of whatever influence people are having on you, and including the people who have paid you and who have basically written that conclusion for you.

Hill: You’ve just got to understand I’m in a difficult position. I’m trying to steer a middle ground and it’s extremely hard.

Lawrie: Yeah. Middle ground. The middle ground is not a middle ground … You’ve taken a position right to the other extreme calling for further trials that are going to kill people. So this will come out, and you will be culpable


quote:

Lawrie was unable to persuade Hill, who instead of joining her team as lead author, went ahead and published his manipulated findings. Four days before publication, Hill’s sponsor Unitaid gave the University of Liverpool, Hill’s employer $40 million. Unitaid, it turns out, was also an author of the conclusions of Hill’s study.


It’s always easier to follow the money than to trust the science.
This post was edited on 8/17/22 at 6:38 am
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 8/17/22 at 6:33 am to
But...science
Posted by gizmoflak
Member since May 2007
11659 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 6:34 am to
Do you even $cience, bro
Posted by NineLineBind
LA....no, the other one
Member since May 2020
6875 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 6:40 am to
Bottom line: researchers are trying to stay personally relevant instead of trying to find solutions. Pretty sickening, and we know it’s been going on since the introduction of big money into research.
Posted by Gifman
by the mountains
Member since Jan 2021
9231 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 6:43 am to
I'm so glad I'm a pureblood.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
51475 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 6:46 am to
quote:

Lawrie: I think that . . . it needs to be clear. I would like to know who, who are these other voices that are in your paper that are not acknowledged? Does Unitaid have a say? Do they influence what you write?

Hill: Unitaid has a say in the conclusions of the paper. Yeah.


Lawrie: Okay. So, who is it in Unitaid, then? Who is giving you opinions on your evidence?

Hill: Well, it’s just the people there. I don’t …

Lawrie: So they have a say in your conclusions.

Hill: Yeah.



That should be the end of his career. It likely won't be, but it should be.
Posted by ldts
Member since Aug 2015
2677 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 6:49 am to
When it gets down to it, scientists need someone to pay for their work. They don't perform a service that people come in off the street for, so it usually ends up being governments and corporations that fund them. You control the purse strings, you control science.
Posted by McNeeseLSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2007
588 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 6:50 am to
quote:

Since its establishment in 2006, Unitaid has received about US $3 billion in contributions from donors. Unitaid's main donors are France, the United Kingdom, Norway, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, Brazil, Spain, the Republic of Korea, and Chile.


Unitaid website
Posted by Tmo Sabe
GA
Member since Mar 2022
609 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 6:51 am to
I don't doubt it's true. But is that source legit?
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
34866 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 6:52 am to
It is becoming very for those who have "eyes that see and ears that hear" (think sane/honest people) that the Transnation Progressive Movement has zero value for the lives of those whom they (TP) purport to serve via Egalitarian principle. Nothing new, as Stalin and Mao pretty much nailed that down in the historical record.

I truly understand and respect the idea that Humanity MUST get on the same page and overcome their instincts to fight over Relative Affluence ($) and Religion but the argument should be honest and above board. And put into words that even the simplest of people can understand. Otherwise, it a Fermi Paradox dog fight on the horizon with most pernicious weapons imaginable.

Oh well. Lord have mercy.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
34006 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 6:54 am to
I called this shite VERY EARLY on and was called a horse paste eater. Sky News Australia even ran a story on it.

Needless to say, I feel somewhat vindicated.

TD from 8/16/2020 - yes...2020
This post was edited on 8/17/22 at 7:05 am
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111496 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 6:57 am to
quote:

But is that source legit?


You can watch the video of the call.
I saw it on the TikTok.
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:01 am to
quote:

I'm so glad I'm a pureblood.

you never know what their next bioweapon will be..

I used to be afraid of China using bioweapons,

but it is more and more apparent that the bioweapons are directed by Baraq Obama and Obama3
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118664 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:10 am to
Rumble: A Letter To Andrew Hill: “Help Expose The Corruption Of Science”


The zoom call starts at the 3 minuet mark.
This post was edited on 8/17/22 at 8:11 am
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118664 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:26 am to
quote:

Bottom line: researchers are trying to stay personally relevant instead of trying to find solutions. Pretty sickening, and we know it’s been going on since the introduction of big money into research.




They can do this because every medication is not 100% effective and they can exploit the "ineffective" part of medications.

Ivermectin is not a 100% cure all. But does it help? Yes, some people.

HCQ is not a 100% cure all. But does it help? Yes, some people.

Famotidine is not a 100% cure all. But does it help? Yes, some people.

Monoclonals is not a 100% cure all. But do they help? Yes, most people.

Vaccines are not 100% cure all. But do they help? Apparently it's supposed to lessen symptoms.

However each one of these medications comes with risk. There is not a one size fits all to beating this pandemic but that's the approach our leaders took.


Bottom line for me and my family...happy to be a pureblood.
Posted by oldskule
Down South
Member since Mar 2016
15476 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:30 am to
The entire covid thing was a sea of lies....and the oligarchs and politicians got richer!



Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111496 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 11:19 am to
Thanks for the link.
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