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re: Am I the product of a racist environment ?
Posted on 1/9/17 at 1:07 pm to volod
Posted on 1/9/17 at 1:07 pm to volod
Yes. You grew up in a racist neighborhood.
Also you should have been a doctor. Blacks with the minimum requirements to get into med school are accepted at an 85% clip. Whites less than 25% and Asians are even lower.
So you could have been a white dude from your story. Worked less than your other colored peers, got the same results, and made lots of money. Things would have been easier on you because of the color of your skin.
Also you should have been a doctor. Blacks with the minimum requirements to get into med school are accepted at an 85% clip. Whites less than 25% and Asians are even lower.
So you could have been a white dude from your story. Worked less than your other colored peers, got the same results, and made lots of money. Things would have been easier on you because of the color of your skin.
This post was edited on 1/9/17 at 1:08 pm
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Posted on 1/9/17 at 1:08 pm to ForeLSU
Thanks for inviting me to your pity party!
Posted on 1/9/17 at 1:17 pm to piggilicious
quote:I don't see how it's belittling to acknowledge reality.
I feel a bit like I'm somehow belittling my dad because he worked his arse off for years and years and years.
quote:I don't know. I honestly and truly don't know. The behavior was so severe and the damage so extreme...I'm just not sure. But at the very least, we should stop acting like it didn't happen and wasn't relevant. (not accusing you of that.)
I guess I just really don't know what the endgame is or if there is one. I can't rewrite history and give black folks the advantages 100 years ago that would trickle down to current blacks. What are we supposed to do?
Posted on 1/9/17 at 1:31 pm to Big Scrub TX
The bottom line for me is to realize that across the board, everyone will have a different starting point and imminent circumstances. What you do with them is up to you.
There will ALWAYS be folks more privileged than you, for whatever reason you can or cannot see.
By the same token, as an Americans there will always be millions of people who would kill to have the advantages we enjoy every day.
Allowing time to fritter away while one rationalizes why life is so unfair to you for whatever reason is foolhardy. If you have to bust your arse twice as hard to get half as far as someone who was born with a better starting point, double down and bust your arse four times as hard. Cultivate an internal locus of control: instead of kowtowing to your circumstances, go above and beyond to alter circumstances to your benefit.
Do it with humility, not with a chip on your shoulder against a demographic, and doors will open for you.
There will ALWAYS be folks more privileged than you, for whatever reason you can or cannot see.
By the same token, as an Americans there will always be millions of people who would kill to have the advantages we enjoy every day.
Allowing time to fritter away while one rationalizes why life is so unfair to you for whatever reason is foolhardy. If you have to bust your arse twice as hard to get half as far as someone who was born with a better starting point, double down and bust your arse four times as hard. Cultivate an internal locus of control: instead of kowtowing to your circumstances, go above and beyond to alter circumstances to your benefit.
Do it with humility, not with a chip on your shoulder against a demographic, and doors will open for you.
Posted on 1/9/17 at 1:34 pm to TbirdSpur2010
quote:This is what I would recommend for the more privileged in society.
Do it with humility
Posted on 1/9/17 at 1:41 pm to volod
I'm white no one that I personally known has put in a good word for me in regards to a job.
I don't come from wealth, the excess money that my dad did have he provided to his sister and his brothers family so he at times worked 2-3 jobs and supported 3 families.
No I don't think your environment is racist to whites; just ignorance which isn't your fault.
I don't come from wealth, the excess money that my dad did have he provided to his sister and his brothers family so he at times worked 2-3 jobs and supported 3 families.
No I don't think your environment is racist to whites; just ignorance which isn't your fault.
Posted on 1/9/17 at 1:43 pm to volod
I don't know the answer to your question, and I believe only you can really answer that question for yourself, considering what you actually went through and growing up in that environment. However, some of the flaws that i see in the ideology and ideas passed on to you in your youth buy your family and friends, is a lot of what you have heard, simply isn't true.
1. "White people are always looking incarcerate black people no matter what the crime". Really, tell me why the hell would any white person what to see a black man go to jail for no reason. My brother I have been white all my like now 64 never , ever heard anything like that from any relatives, friends acquaintances etc. makes no sense.
2. With regards to lighter sentences for white's for same or similar crimes, I really don't know. I would think some real evidence regarding this issue could be found via google or some site, and I would suggest you gain the real truth of this matter on your own.
3. "Whites work hard but a lot of them come from wealth." This is one where you can not be as far away from the truth. There are some whites that are wealthy, but much less than you think, and definitely many, many, many more whites that experienced a life way closer to your own experiences. I don't know how blacks can't see that. Have you ever heard of the 1% or the 3%? 1-3 percent of the country retains all the wealth. That certainly does not include all white. Especially back in the late 1800"s and early 1900's when there was no middle class and poor white lived sometimes in much worse conditions than slaves on the plantation that access to food, shelter and medical attention.(Believe me when I say i am not trying to justify Slavery in any way!) simply trying to put history in perspective and bring some realization into the discussion. I believe that we are closer to each other in social terms than you could believe, even though I agree that whites as group do have more and better opportunities than blacks. It's certainly not because that is the way we wanted it or have we had any real hand in it. Helping people around you that walk like talk like, mingle with etc. is human nature that all races practice all over the world. It's not racist. Do you really thing blaming all Whites for the problems and stagnation of the progress of the black people in America is the solution? If so I am afraid you are lost for ever. Less that 1% of American families ever owned a slave hear in the US, ever! Remember this, : "The past will never cut a check in the future",it's simply impossible".
4. Some whites have access to friends that can help with jobs. This may be true for some whites, definitely not all. However a vast majority of whites in america don't and are in the same boat as most blacks in this country.
5. Everyone in this country has the opportunity to succeed, and quite frankly there has been special impetus put on helping black Americans succeed in this country for the past 35 years, via numerous special programs, affirmative action etc. You should look into some of those programs.
6. Have you ever heard the saying that "clothes make the man". It's absolutely true. We are what we are perceived to be, meaning we are what people around us see and perceive that we are. In other words the best way to foster goodwill and a positive perception of yourself is to so through the way act around and interact with people. Are there preconceived notions, absolutely, but they can be changed quickly with your actions. Problems we don't really interact with each other.
1. "White people are always looking incarcerate black people no matter what the crime". Really, tell me why the hell would any white person what to see a black man go to jail for no reason. My brother I have been white all my like now 64 never , ever heard anything like that from any relatives, friends acquaintances etc. makes no sense.
2. With regards to lighter sentences for white's for same or similar crimes, I really don't know. I would think some real evidence regarding this issue could be found via google or some site, and I would suggest you gain the real truth of this matter on your own.
3. "Whites work hard but a lot of them come from wealth." This is one where you can not be as far away from the truth. There are some whites that are wealthy, but much less than you think, and definitely many, many, many more whites that experienced a life way closer to your own experiences. I don't know how blacks can't see that. Have you ever heard of the 1% or the 3%? 1-3 percent of the country retains all the wealth. That certainly does not include all white. Especially back in the late 1800"s and early 1900's when there was no middle class and poor white lived sometimes in much worse conditions than slaves on the plantation that access to food, shelter and medical attention.(Believe me when I say i am not trying to justify Slavery in any way!) simply trying to put history in perspective and bring some realization into the discussion. I believe that we are closer to each other in social terms than you could believe, even though I agree that whites as group do have more and better opportunities than blacks. It's certainly not because that is the way we wanted it or have we had any real hand in it. Helping people around you that walk like talk like, mingle with etc. is human nature that all races practice all over the world. It's not racist. Do you really thing blaming all Whites for the problems and stagnation of the progress of the black people in America is the solution? If so I am afraid you are lost for ever. Less that 1% of American families ever owned a slave hear in the US, ever! Remember this, : "The past will never cut a check in the future",it's simply impossible".
4. Some whites have access to friends that can help with jobs. This may be true for some whites, definitely not all. However a vast majority of whites in america don't and are in the same boat as most blacks in this country.
5. Everyone in this country has the opportunity to succeed, and quite frankly there has been special impetus put on helping black Americans succeed in this country for the past 35 years, via numerous special programs, affirmative action etc. You should look into some of those programs.
6. Have you ever heard the saying that "clothes make the man". It's absolutely true. We are what we are perceived to be, meaning we are what people around us see and perceive that we are. In other words the best way to foster goodwill and a positive perception of yourself is to so through the way act around and interact with people. Are there preconceived notions, absolutely, but they can be changed quickly with your actions. Problems we don't really interact with each other.
Posted on 1/9/17 at 1:49 pm to volod
You're the product of a racist country.
Posted on 1/9/17 at 1:55 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
This is what I would recommend for the more privileged in society.
There is no reason for someone who has what you want to come to you with humility.
Posted on 1/9/17 at 1:56 pm to Easy
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You're the product of a racist country.
Posted on 1/9/17 at 2:02 pm to Easy
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You're the product of a racist country.
Meh, every country in recorded world history has a racist history. No getting around that.
Few (if any) nations in recorded history have ever had the guts to look our own racism in the eye and take such drastic measures to rectify it. The progress in LESS than the past 100 years is both staggering an unprecedented.
Posted on 1/9/17 at 2:36 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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The progress in LESS than the past 100 years is both staggering an unprecedented.
Let's take a look at the timeline:
1789 - U.S. Constitution was ratified, essentially locking in chattel slavery (in the South) - more or less in perpetuity. The "Three Fifths Compromise" is a lesson in the "possible" and that sometimes you have to accept the good you can get now, in lieu of the perfect that may never come. Thomas Jefferson (demonized by folks who simply don't know any better) - had proposed prohibition of slavery in all the territories as early as 1784 - but the NW Ordinance was all that was agreeable. Abolition had begun in the North already (although it would not be without residual discrimination and other measures of apartheid in subsequent decades).
By 1807 Great Britain and the U.S. had outlawed the international slave trade.
Now, as the sides locked in - a paradox arose where the value of slaves in the south was only rivaled by the value of the plantations themselves. As the South produced few manufactured goods and engaged in little economic activity outside of cotton and secondary agricultural crops supported heavily by slave labor (and to a lesser degree poor white southern dirt farmers) - there was a long period of stagnation as the abolition movement slowly grew.
The Civil War (at dreadful cost) effectively ended the formal institution of slavery, yet it was replaced with a vast apartheid system beginning in the late 1860s that would exist - legally (and not just in the South) for 100 years. In the 50 or so years since, we've seen the end of the legal apartheid we were under to black folks serving at every important level of government, up to and including President of the U.S. - despite only constituting between 1 out of 7 or 8 Americans.
To call that progress "meteoric" would be an understatement.
This post was edited on 1/9/17 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 1/9/17 at 2:58 pm to volod
Sounds like you grew up in an environment that put an incorrect emphasis on race, whether justified by past wrong-doings or not.
I was told that I need to honor God and those he put in charge, therefore I should obey the laws of the land where they don't conflict with God's laws. When I don't break the law, I don't have to care about the type of sentence I get because of my skin color.
I didn't come from wealth and didn't get a job or benefits due to who I knew because I knew no one when I moved to this state and started the job hunt. Friends and associates aren't a whites-only concept, either.
A good work ethic isn't racist. Assuming all "white people" are out to get you, is.
quote:I was raised to work hard regardless of my skin color, because poverty is color blind.
I grew up in an environment where I was told that you always will have to work harder in life versus whites in order to succeed. I was told that whites are always looking for reasons to incarcerate black people no matter how miniscule the crime. Meanwhile, whites almost always get a lighter sentence or none at all.
I was told that I need to honor God and those he put in charge, therefore I should obey the laws of the land where they don't conflict with God's laws. When I don't break the law, I don't have to care about the type of sentence I get because of my skin color.
quote:
Whites do work hard, but alot of them come from wealth. And they get jobs and other benefits due to associates they know. So they don't face the same societal or economic struggles as blacks. As a result, they can put in less effort in maintaining success.
I didn't come from wealth and didn't get a job or benefits due to who I knew because I knew no one when I moved to this state and started the job hunt. Friends and associates aren't a whites-only concept, either.
quote:I was taught that people do judge a book by its cover, even though they shouldn't. Not because people have ingrained hatred or malice in their hearts, but because life is too short to get to know every person they see or meet on an intimate level, so you have to make judgement about others based on the information you have. I was taught that if I didn't want to be treated like a punk, I shouldn't dress like one, style my hair like one, or act like one. I think that goes for every group that has a "uniform" associated with it. If you don't want to be stereotyped, buck the stereotype.
I was told that I would never be fully accepted even if I obtained better financial status due to my race. I would generally be seen as lazy and anti-law, even though those factors are not the case.
quote:That's how I was raised, too. That's not a racial thing, but a cultural one. My parents raised me to respect others, treat people with love, and work hard for what I want. I don't always do it like I should but I at least know better.
I was told these things by my community growing up. My parents instilled in me to respect everyone, which is what I do. And i grew up knowing that i would have to work for everthing, since i lack wealth, powerful associates, or privelege by birth. But I never held that against anyone, and simply study and work the best way that I can.
A good work ethic isn't racist. Assuming all "white people" are out to get you, is.
Posted on 1/9/17 at 3:16 pm to volod
No.. you were living in reality
Posted on 1/9/17 at 3:55 pm to TbirdSpur2010
False. Most current countries do not have a history of government mandated racial separation and slavery. Especially not in recent times like us. It's pretty much us and South Africa.
Posted on 1/9/17 at 4:02 pm to Easy
Easy, you are so ignorant and uneducated on race issues...it would be a waste of my time to explain...have a nice day
Posted on 1/9/17 at 5:33 pm to Big Scrub TX
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You think it is inaccurate to say many........nay, most whites can accurately say Poor whites still had many advantages over poor blacks - particularly in the 2nd half of the 20th century when so much wealth was created.
Nice how you edited just short of the actual quote.
You're cherry picking to be an arse. The part he said was true about whites was true. You're responding to a point that wasn't even made just to be argumentative.
Posted on 1/9/17 at 5:37 pm to volod
Isn't this bigotry and prejudice instead of racism?
Posted on 1/9/17 at 5:39 pm to Easy
Dude, really? Most of the east Asian major nations banned non-natives from owning property, or even entering their countries. Singapore broke away from Malaysia, because Malaysia has a system that specifically protects Malaysian ethnic rights over all other ethnicities. That's the previous century, they still have portions of that law. Me and Marr has been even worse. How about Serbia? Are you familiar with ethnic cleansing? What about Rwanda, where certain groups instituted systems in order to discriminate against made up races. Or Zimbabwe his ethnic cleansing of whites over the last 40 years. Have you ever even met somebody from Zimbabwe? Can you point it out on a map?
I'm sure you weren't aware that Indians en masse are kept as slaves in Kuwait cutter and the Emirates, along with other peoples in much of the Middle East. It is impossible for a non- Arab to get in Marotti citizenship. They ban you from it. Owning land in most Middle Eastern countries, if you are not an Arab and a Muslum and a man, easier illegal, or your rights are restricted.
You have the most Amero centric worldview of anyone besides an SJW. You have no idea what you're talking about.
I'm sure you weren't aware that Indians en masse are kept as slaves in Kuwait cutter and the Emirates, along with other peoples in much of the Middle East. It is impossible for a non- Arab to get in Marotti citizenship. They ban you from it. Owning land in most Middle Eastern countries, if you are not an Arab and a Muslum and a man, easier illegal, or your rights are restricted.
You have the most Amero centric worldview of anyone besides an SJW. You have no idea what you're talking about.
This post was edited on 1/9/17 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 1/9/17 at 5:42 pm to Easy
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Most current countries do not have a history of government mandated racial separation and slavery. Especially not in recent times like us. It's pretty much us and South Africa.
False.
Also, you tried to reframe. Show me these scads of utopian countries that don't have a checkered past when it comes to racism.
This post was edited on 1/9/17 at 5:46 pm
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