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Posted on 1/9/17 at 11:06 am to ShortyRob
quote:Poor whites still had many advantages over poor blacks - particularly in the 2nd half of the 20th century when so much wealth was created. Poor whites had access to mortgage credit, while poor blacks were routinely, intentionally systemically deprived of that access. Poor whites could vote. Poor blacks (really, all blacks) were violently intimidated and prevented from doing so. Poor whites could whistle at a white woman without fear of violent reprisal with the full approval of the local sheriff. Poor blacks could not. Poor whites could dream of playing football and basketball for the state universities for which their parents paid taxes. Poor (all) blacks were intimidated and excluded. Poor white veterans could come home from the wars and use the GI Bill to get ahead. Poor black veterans were largely excluded from this. etc. etc.
You think it is inaccurate to say many........nay, most whites can accurately say
Posted on 1/9/17 at 11:06 am to volod
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I was told that I would never be fully accepted even if I obtained better financial status due to my race. I would generally be seen as lazy and anti-law, even though those factors are not the case.
That's some straight up bullshite just fyi.
Posted on 1/9/17 at 11:09 am to uway
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What if the answer is that whites are more successful because they are more intelligent and have been breeding for civilized behavior for far longer than most other races?
Are you willing to accept that as the answer?
I can accept this answer with two caveats.
1) Classism is really the defining point of this argument. Whites do better as a whole, but you can't forsake the poor whites who are the majority. Just the same, I can't ignore upper class blacks who are a minority.
Breeding good attributes take generations and inevitably leads to breedjects (a coined term for those who are bred yet lack desirable traits) before hitting the good combination.
2) The societal constructs were put in place via the Antebellum and later post CivIL War Era to create artificial barriers to prevent black success from reaching maturity. These barriers were mostly removed by the 1970s to 1980s, however it set a bad precedent which we must overcome today.
As I said earlier, Im not blaming anyone for my shortcomings. I'd go as far as saying modern blacks (those born 1980 and beyond) have no real reason to not achieve to their fullest potential.
This post was edited on 1/9/17 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 1/9/17 at 11:09 am to braindeadboxer
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had two different black people ask me if this was true within the last several months. Was the first time I'd ever heard of such a thing. I really don't think they believed me when I said no.
In-laws never gave us anything, either
Posted on 1/9/17 at 11:09 am to Big Scrub TX
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Poor whites still had many advantages over poor blacks - particularly in the 2nd half of the 20th century when so much wealth was created. Poor whites had access to mortgage credit, while poor blacks were routinely, intentionally systemically deprived of that access. Poor whites could vote. Poor blacks (really, all blacks) were violently intimidated and prevented from doing so. Poor whites could whistle at a white woman without fear of violent reprisal with the full approval of the local sheriff. Poor blacks could not. Poor whites could dream of playing football and basketball for the state universities for which their parents paid taxes. Poor (all) blacks were intimidated and excluded. Poor white veterans could come home from the wars and use the GI Bill to get ahead. Poor black veterans were largely excluded from this. etc. etc.
Posted on 1/9/17 at 11:10 am to TbirdSpur2010
quote:Uncle Tom.
TbirdSpur2010
Signed,
White Liberals
Posted on 1/9/17 at 11:12 am to imjustafatkid
Yes, what a yawner those atrocious and indefensible acts of violent exclusion were. 
This is the very definition of privilege - not even being able to be aware of the stunning injustice occurring right around you and accruing to your benefit.
This is the very definition of privilege - not even being able to be aware of the stunning injustice occurring right around you and accruing to your benefit.Posted on 1/9/17 at 11:13 am to volod
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I'd go as far as saying modern blacks (those born 1980 and beyond) have no real reason to not achieve to their fullest potential.
What happened in 1980 to make this the case? Reagan beating Carter?
Posted on 1/9/17 at 11:14 am to TbirdSpur2010
quote:You didn't read the fine print in the contract.
In-laws never gave us anything, either
The seed money is given "only if they marry a white guy".
Gotta read the fine print bro.
Posted on 1/9/17 at 11:14 am to Big Scrub TX
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Yes, what a yawner those atrocious and indefensible acts of violent exclusion were.
Nope, you're the yawner. You have nothing of substance to add. Your arguments are tired and old.
This post was edited on 1/9/17 at 11:15 am
Posted on 1/9/17 at 11:15 am to Big Scrub TX
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Yes, what a yawner those atrocious and indefensible acts of violent exclusion were. This is the very definition of privilege - not even being able to be aware of the stunning injustice occurring right around you and accruing to your benefit.
Aside from the yawn, does anyone really deny that there used to be serious slights and worse directed towards blacks? I don't, but something that happened 100 or even 50 years ago is history so it's to be known and not forgotten but it also shouldn't be an excuse for something today.
Posted on 1/9/17 at 11:16 am to piggilicious
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Aside from the yawn, does anyone really deny that there used to be serious slights and worse directed towards blacks?
Nope. That's the problem with his argument.
Posted on 1/9/17 at 11:16 am to piggilicious
Go ask the dead black female officer in Orlando
Posted on 1/9/17 at 11:18 am to piggilicious
quote:Someone made a comment about what the kid was taught by his parents. I'm pointing out what the parents lived through and how it is entirely withing expectations for them to pass on the message to him that they did. And the effects of this institutionalized terrorism against an entire swath of citizens has major repercussions felt to this day - see the housing exclusion discussion point. It's very easy and convenient for white voters to sit atop the mountain of 70 years of home equity gains and then point and blame black voters for the massive disparities in wealth that persist to this day as a direct effect of that exclusion.
I don't, but something that happened 100 or even 50 years ago is history so it's to be known and not forgotten but it also shouldn't be an excuse for something today.
Posted on 1/9/17 at 11:18 am to volod
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I grew up in an environment where I was told that you always will have to work harder in life versus whites in order to succeed. I was told that whites are always looking for reasons to incarcerate black people no matter how miniscule the crime. Meanwhile, whites almost always get a lighter sentence or none at all.
Depending on how old you are, when you were told some of these things, they may have been some significant kernels of truth to these, although they are clearly prejudicial and paint with an overly broad brush (which is what a lot of white folks do and it is branded "racist" when they do it, BTW).
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Whites do work hard, but alot of them come from wealth.
Meh. Not really. The wealthy are the wealthy. There have been wealthy black folks (although the numbers are much lower) for generations, too. Again, this is a perception that is grounded in truth but largely a generalization. We can get into the whole "prevailing white (middle class) 'culture'" versus "prevailing black (urban) 'culture'" - but that is a similar sort of generalization grounded in truth but largely unfair and stereotypical.
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And they get jobs and other benefits due to associates they know. So they don't face the same societal or economic struggles as blacks. As a result, they can put in less effort in maintaining success.
Utter horseshite and tripe, IMHO.
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My parents instilled in me to respect everyone, which is what I do.
Then you're not racist. A racist places one "race" of people in a superior or protected status with regards to others (like the Aryan Nation, Nazism, KKK, BLM, NBPP, affirmative action - and the last one can be good intentioned, but it's still "racist" as it substitutes immutable characteristics outside that person's control for merit.)
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I wonder if this means my environment is racist to whites.
No. Now go forth and do great things.
This post was edited on 1/9/17 at 11:20 am
Posted on 1/9/17 at 11:20 am to Phil2012
I'm a little confused by that comment. That was some piece of trash that happened to be black that killed a police officer who happened to be black. What does that have to do with the topic at hand?
Posted on 1/9/17 at 11:23 am to piggilicious
racism always leads to a disaster and unintended consequences
Posted on 1/9/17 at 11:26 am to bhtigerfan
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You didn't read the fine print in the contract.
The seed money is given "only if they marry a white guy".
Gotta read the fine print bro.
Zounds
Posted on 1/9/17 at 11:35 am to volod
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I'd go as far as saying modern blacks (those born 1980 and beyond) have no real reason to not achieve to their fullest potential.
I'll go so far as to concede that blacks who succeed coming out of stereotypical black, urban environment deserve at least some small recognition of overcoming the challenge - but no more so than white kids from broken families, trailer trash, etc.
Maybe the playing field isn't "perfectly level" (Hint: It's never going to be) - but, it's level enough that to continue to focus on it is counter productive. The perfect is the enemy of the good.
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