re: Ah, Jeez, they're debating 'consent'

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gender is a social construct.

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Yes

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You're a bigot and transphobic for even implying its a real thing

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I don't think you know what you're saying. I realize you're being sarcastic but you're not really making any point either way

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At what point do our preferences stop being prejudiced/discriminatory and just become our preferences? Sex? Friendship? Serving people? Wheres the line? Because if you apply leftist logic to the situation you shouldnt be able to turn anyone down due to your own prejudices. I would like a real answer to this. Im sure you cant provide it but at least try.

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It's always the emphasis and the way you say things that makes the meanings different so there isn't a clear line to go off of. For example, I can say curse words all day but the moment I angrily direct when it's someone then it is taken as an insult. I call my best friend and a-hole all the time. He doesnt care.

I think that's a good way to start off but let's move along to something like serving black people. You could have a preference for not serving black people but considering it is such a large population it would naturally be assumed that you were a bigot by excluding all black people. Now if there was a black person in line at your store and they were acting a little crazy then of course you would have the right to not serve them. Your preference is for people who are behaving correctly.

You can't really worry about every little thing like that you just have to make sound judgement. If what you're looking for is a Playbook of telling you when it is okay and when it is not okay there is no such thing but generally doing things with hate, anger, extreme bias or doubt puts a nasty spin on things that will end up making you look bad in the eyes of others

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It's always the emphasis and the way you say things that makes the meanings different so there isn't a clear line to go off of. For example, I can say curse words all day but the moment I angrily direct when it's someone then it is taken as an insult.

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Thats nice and all, but that is not at all whats happening, is it? People can be labeled some of your idiotic made up "constructs" by something they write. It's in print...no "inflection"..no "angry voice" etc.
Your people are brainwashed.

What he's saying is leftists have deemed themselves the cultural moral authority, and can shift that subjective line at any point. THEY decide what you mean by speech/actions most would consider innocuous. YOU are the bigot if you reject their ruling.

Really it's just a repackaging of uber-fundamentalists on the right. Same shite, different decade.

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regarding your situation about not serving a single black person if they were acting like an arse: you'd still be called racist and have people trying to destroy you even if you were justified and the decision was in no way race related and you know that.

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shite, we saw it earlier this year with the black guys in Starbucks. The barista who threw them out was a big time leftist, by all accounts. Didn't matter. The prevailing leftist sentiment deemed the actions of the establishment reprehensible on their face and castigated the leftist barista as an example of racism in America (which, all jokes aside, was a particularly ironic twist, as the vast majority of racists I run into are leftists).

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Certain races, religions, and genders are off limits to criticize or reprimand in our society and thats a huge problem. Its just as divisive as someone criticizing a black guy just because hes black.

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Exactly. My wife and I see it a little bit in our social settings. Folks are WAY more comfortable making an off-color joke about white people with her standing there than they are making one about black people if I'm standing there. Neither one bothers us, but the awkwardness factor is fascinating to behold sometimes.

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It's hella creepy that they can't seem to identify those fascist traits. They actually feel justified to hate someone on a whim.

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Yeah that's the part I don't get. The duplicity is galling.

It's not exclusive to the left, of course, but they're deep into the identity politics game, which is built on duplicity.

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So when far leftists say you're transphobic if you wouldnt date a tranny is that being hateful and discriminatory or is that just acting on your own preferences?

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Sounds like the far leftist in question would be clearly at fault here. I've never heard of any of this happening though so I'm just going to assume this is horseshite hypothetical happy hour.

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What about if someone doesnt want to frick black people? Or mexicans?

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Well going against your own nature is generally a bad idea in the first place. Anyone that tells me they wouldn't frick someone who's Black or Mexican is lying to themselves and generally deserves to be picked on for being a lil bitch.

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And regarding your situation about not serving a single black person if they were acting like an arse: you'd still be called racist and have people trying to destroy you even if you were justified and the decision was in no way race related and you know that.

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I've thrown out countless people of different races out of my bar and a couple of times I got accused of being racist but I just Shrugged It Off and didn't feed into it and then was never bothered by it again. Not really a big deal. You should never feed the trolls.

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Certain races, religions, and genders are off limits to criticize or reprimand in our society and thats a huge problem. Its just as divisive as someone criticizing a black guy just because hes black.

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I agree that PC culture has gone too far but you guys only make it worse when you keep feeding it. I find that if you simply ignore it then it kind of just goes away. It deserves to be acknowledged and then given neither positive nor negative attention after that

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Give me an example and then we will examine how widespread it is. 

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Old jokes/posts on Twitter.

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I’ve raised this topic on the OT before