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After Hurricane Ian, a low-lying Florida city starts to rebuild. Should it?
Posted on 10/6/22 at 8:28 am
Posted on 10/6/22 at 8:28 am
After Hurricane Ian, a low-lying Florida city starts to rebuild. Should it?
A home on the water’s edge. That was the dream.
Two and a half years ago, Ignacio Soto could hardly believe his good fortune when he snagged a three-bedroom waterfront home in Cape Coral for $335,000 — a tropical haven where he could catch snapper from his dock and watch dolphins from his back patio.
But last week, after Hurricane Ian barreled into southwest Florida with a biblical surge of ocean surf, the 57-year-old registered nurse was confronting the downside of living just 7 feet above sea level.
But flooding was not unexpected. For decades, scientists, environmentalists, geographers and city planners have warned that large swaths of the U.S. coastline are at risk — and no city has a greater percentage of homes in peril than this rapidly developing Florida metropolis of 200,000 where the Caloosahatchee River empties into the Gulf of Mexico. A recent analysis of flood data found that the city has more than 90,000 properties at substantial risk of flooding, more than Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston or New York.
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Five years ago, a Climate Change Vulnerability Assessment for Cape Coral warned that, in a worst-case scenario, much of the city could be underwater by 2200.
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The question — for experts, at least — is whether Cape Coral and other low-lying cities should rebuild in an era of more intense hurricanes, heavier rainfall and rising seas.
“We know that Category 4 and 5 hurricanes are going to increase and storms are going to be more intense. We know the atmosphere is becoming more moist and storms are going to drop more rain,” said Benjamin Kirtman, professor of atmospheric sciences at the University of Miami. “Communities do need to think very carefully about the possibility of relocating to higher ground.”
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A home on the water’s edge. That was the dream.
Two and a half years ago, Ignacio Soto could hardly believe his good fortune when he snagged a three-bedroom waterfront home in Cape Coral for $335,000 — a tropical haven where he could catch snapper from his dock and watch dolphins from his back patio.
But last week, after Hurricane Ian barreled into southwest Florida with a biblical surge of ocean surf, the 57-year-old registered nurse was confronting the downside of living just 7 feet above sea level.
But flooding was not unexpected. For decades, scientists, environmentalists, geographers and city planners have warned that large swaths of the U.S. coastline are at risk — and no city has a greater percentage of homes in peril than this rapidly developing Florida metropolis of 200,000 where the Caloosahatchee River empties into the Gulf of Mexico. A recent analysis of flood data found that the city has more than 90,000 properties at substantial risk of flooding, more than Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston or New York.
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Five years ago, a Climate Change Vulnerability Assessment for Cape Coral warned that, in a worst-case scenario, much of the city could be underwater by 2200.
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The question — for experts, at least — is whether Cape Coral and other low-lying cities should rebuild in an era of more intense hurricanes, heavier rainfall and rising seas.
“We know that Category 4 and 5 hurricanes are going to increase and storms are going to be more intense. We know the atmosphere is becoming more moist and storms are going to drop more rain,” said Benjamin Kirtman, professor of atmospheric sciences at the University of Miami. “Communities do need to think very carefully about the possibility of relocating to higher ground.”
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Posted on 10/6/22 at 8:31 am to djmed
Native Americans knew weather changes and did not set up permanent housing. People have come to think they are above what nature has to offer. We are civilized and stuff like that.
This post was edited on 10/6/22 at 8:32 am
Posted on 10/6/22 at 8:33 am to djmed
Wonder how storms would be if no rebuild and flat. The next area would take it. If people want to spend their money or continue to stay, that’s their choice.
Btw, w climate change, how many glaciers have melted in the last 100 yrs? None.
Btw, w climate change, how many glaciers have melted in the last 100 yrs? None.
Posted on 10/6/22 at 8:33 am to djmed
frick no, stop billing the taxpayers to rebuild these assholes beachfront homes. It's absolute insanity, and completely hypocrisy from the republicans.
Posted on 10/6/22 at 8:34 am to j1897
It’s their community they pay the taxes. Yes they get federal help, but who doesn’t? We give so much away to other countries, let’s fix that first.
Posted on 10/6/22 at 8:35 am to themunch
Would it be possible to construct a residence on pilings that raise the house 20 feet above the ground and reinforce the superstructure such that it can withstand 150 mph hurricane wind?
Of course, your piling foundational structural base would have to be strong enough to withstand some heavy debris being surged into it. In a hurricane, things like boats and wrecked homes will be thrown into your pilings by the storm surge.
Is my idea feasible?
Of course, your piling foundational structural base would have to be strong enough to withstand some heavy debris being surged into it. In a hurricane, things like boats and wrecked homes will be thrown into your pilings by the storm surge.
Is my idea feasible?
Posted on 10/6/22 at 8:37 am to djmed
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“We know that Category 4 and 5 hurricanes are going to increase and storms are going to be more intense.
Just because it’s repeated over and over doesn’t mean it’s true.
Don’t get me wrong, there’s a high risk building on the GOM only seven feet above sea level, but there’s no more risk than it was years ago.
That area had flooded before and it’s going to flood again. That’s a fact. If you want to risk it that’s your business just don’t expect someone to bail you out when it does.
Posted on 10/6/22 at 8:39 am to djmed
The Gulf Coast is beautiful but it will always be tumbled by Hurricanes. The last few times I went: the water was polluted, traffic sucked and it's overcrowded in the Summer.
These Hurricanes will get bigger with less time to form into Cat 4-5's. Not what you want if you live near the coast.
Louisiana is well below sea level and thinks it will find a way to get around it.. you can't just like you can't continue to rebuild on the Florida coast.
These Hurricanes will get bigger with less time to form into Cat 4-5's. Not what you want if you live near the coast.
Louisiana is well below sea level and thinks it will find a way to get around it.. you can't just like you can't continue to rebuild on the Florida coast.
Posted on 10/6/22 at 8:40 am to Champagne
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Is my idea feasible?
Theoretically.
But practically it’s obviously cheaper to build traditional beach structures and rebuild after destruction.
We know this because insurance companies don’t use your idea.
The revenue these cites bring to Florida will pay the toll.
Back to your idea, what if you spend all that money and it actually fails?
This post was edited on 10/6/22 at 8:42 am
Posted on 10/6/22 at 8:40 am to j1897
Taxpayer money should not be used to rebuild residential houses or commercial property. That's why we pay insurance. It should be used to rebuild government property only.
There is zero proof that storms are more intense and more frequent. Thats the real big lie. Look at the facts and statistics. You live on the coast. A cat 4 direct hit will destroy shite.. It's a rare occurrence, but it happens. Same with any other natural disaster.
There is zero proof that storms are more intense and more frequent. Thats the real big lie. Look at the facts and statistics. You live on the coast. A cat 4 direct hit will destroy shite.. It's a rare occurrence, but it happens. Same with any other natural disaster.
Posted on 10/6/22 at 8:41 am to Champagne
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Would it be possible to construct a residence on pilings that raise the house 20 feet above the ground and reinforce the superstructure such that it can withstand 150 mph hurricane wind?
Of course, your piling foundational structural base would have to be strong enough to withstand some heavy debris being surged into it. In a hurricane, things like boats and wrecked homes will be thrown into your pilings by the storm surge.
Is my idea feasible?
Yes. Plenty of homes in the panhandle weren't damaged by wind from Michael unless a tree fell on them. A house built in the 60's across the street has its roof (roof, not shingles), ripped off, the newer house built in the early 2000s is untouched.
Posted on 10/6/22 at 8:41 am to djmed
With oceans rising, why would a lender be willing to loan money for 30 years or more?
Unless they are not ...
Unless they are not ...
Posted on 10/6/22 at 8:42 am to j1897
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hypocrisy from the republicans.
Posted on 10/6/22 at 8:44 am to doubleb
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If you want to risk it that’s your business just don’t expect someone to bail you out when it does.
So, if New Orleans floods again it needs to be made into a landfill?
I get what you are saying but if we are going to stop assistance to one place over flooding and hurricanes then we stop it everywhere...
Posted on 10/6/22 at 8:45 am to djmed
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“We know that Category 4 and 5 hurricanes are going to increase and storms are going to be more intense. We know the atmosphere is becoming more moist and storms are going to drop more rain,”
Hilarious to hear a weatherman claim to "know" anything. Especially right after a storm where they clearly didn't even know the correct storm track.
Posted on 10/6/22 at 8:47 am to DUKE87
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Louisiana is well below sea level and thinks it will find a way to get around it.. you can't
This is not what Louisiana thinks. There’s plenty to shite on this state for, but the coastal master plan and the work they are doing to rebuild wetlands, marshes, and barrier islands is groundbreaking work. We can’t beat nature but we can become more resilient.
Now we need companies like entergy to do their part.
Posted on 10/6/22 at 8:50 am to The Maj
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So, if New Orleans floods again it needs to be made into a landfill? I get what you are saying but if we are going to stop assistance to one place over flooding and hurricanes then we stop it everywhere...
NO is different.
Government has invested billions into a levee system providing an expectation of safety. When their system failed they felt they had to rebuild NO.
But did every citizen affected get govt. assistance? I don’t think so.
If you had means you were on your own from what I remember.
Posted on 10/6/22 at 8:51 am to djmed
Cape Coral should probably never have been built as is to begin with:
Those canals everywhere are asking for trouble.
Those canals everywhere are asking for trouble.
Posted on 10/6/22 at 8:51 am to j1897
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completely hypocrisy from the republicans.
Can you explain how it is hypocritical?
Posted on 10/6/22 at 8:51 am to djmed
Restrict builds to resist a Cat 5 and be 1ft above historic high flood levels or else they have to sign a waiver stating they are 100% responsible for any weather-related damage which insurance will not cover (ie: cannot apply for, nor accept federal nor state grants due to weather damage).
That should be the standard all along the coasts.
That should be the standard all along the coasts.
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