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re: Aereo: How can anyone argue this is anything other than theft?
Posted on 4/22/14 at 2:31 pm to darkhorse
Posted on 4/22/14 at 2:31 pm to darkhorse
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Either way, this is beginning of the end of his company.
agreed.
However, this holds interesting implications for streaming content, both on the wbe and through the air.
It opens up a whole pandora's box that the large media outlets would rather keep boxed up!
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 2:32 pm to CptBengal
Right... they are not reproducing. You are renting an antenna that is only in your viewing area. You can't rent an antenna in Dallas if you live in Atlanta. It is geo locked.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 2:35 pm to CptBengal
quote:indeed. That's why I described it as too narrow.
based on the 2nd court we are talkign delivery method..
quote:Which is proof that the decision is too narrow. I can copy CDs all day without altering the content. That doesn't make it any less of a copyright violation.
the content has been freely and openly broadcast. So long as the method doesnt alter the content, as the 2nd said...this is a loser.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 2:38 pm to darkhorse
quote:
If the networks lose or if they win, they will cease ota signals.
I don't see that happening.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 2:41 pm to CptBengal
quote:Unless the viewing receiver is directly connected, it's a transcription. I'm not sure how that's debatable. But well just have to agree to disagree. I cannot agree that water is not wet.
I dont know how else to explain it to you...nobody is reproducing anything.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 2:42 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:
I can copy CDs all day without altering the content. That doesn't make it any less of a copyright violation.
1) I do not have a "position". So, this is Devil's Advocate stuff..
2) You CAN take that CD, copy it (for your use) into iTunes (for example) and listen to it at different times and on different devices.
I think the contention of the service is that you are buying an antenna and that you, basically, have a DVR that they maintain (a cloud based DVR?). Anyway...you are simply DVRing the TV show and "slingboxing" it to your phone / tablet, etc.
Not advocating here. Just, that is my understanding of the position
Posted on 4/22/14 at 2:42 pm to darkhorse
quote:I think this is he likely result. And will not end well. If you think the media has a stranglehold now, it will only get worse.
If the networks lose or if they win, they will cease ota signals.
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 4/22/14 at 2:43 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:
Unless the viewing receiver is directly connected,
Is Slingbox okay?
Posted on 4/22/14 at 2:45 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
quote:Form a copyright holders perspective... on the surface... hell no. It's a transcription.
Is Slingbox okay?
That said, they may operate under a clearing house agreement. I honestly don't know.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 2:48 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:According to the cablevision case cited in the linked opinion it is.
Form a copyright holders perspective... on the surface... hell no.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 2:49 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
quote:Indeed. That's first use. You are licensed by the CD manufacturer to do that. You aren't paying Apple to provide the capability to create that copy for you.
You CAN take that CD, copy it (for your use) into iTunes (for example) and listen to it at different times and on different devices.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 2:51 pm to LSUnKaty
quote:It's a bit more complex than that. You have to go all they way back to the "must carry" rules enforced by the FCC. Clearly Aereo doesn't fall under those rules. Yet.
According to the cablevision case cited in the linked opinion it is.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 3:15 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:
If the networks lose or if they win, they will cease ota signals.
no way. OTA signals are valuable.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 3:28 pm to C
quote:Valuable? Sure. But it's declining rapidly. Incurring the liability associated with mechanical licensing would end it pretty quick. It would end barter programming. Most local stations would never be able to afford to pay cash (they can't do it now!) And I'd expect licensing and syndication to increase by 10x at least.
no way. OTA signals are valuable.
It's not in anyone's best interest. Even Dish Network ended up settling with networks when they came out with The Hopper.
I'd reckon that since these cases were settled rather than adjudicated, helps Aereo's position.
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 4/22/14 at 4:52 pm to Taxing Authority
im' still not clear on this device.
is this to help people who are trying to get OTA signals now but due to geography (i cant in nashville due to hills but people in other parts of town can) can now watch those channels they should be able to already watch?
or is it more than that?
i get that its got DVR capabilities built in..but hell what doesnt these days?
sounds like it does 2 things
1. access to OTA signals you should be able to get anyway if you have a strong enough antenna
2. dvr to record those networks if you dont happen to be around when they're on live.
so whats the problem again? the cable & sat companies want the OTA experience as miserable as possible for end users so they 'buy into' their networks to gain access to NBC?
is this to help people who are trying to get OTA signals now but due to geography (i cant in nashville due to hills but people in other parts of town can) can now watch those channels they should be able to already watch?
or is it more than that?
i get that its got DVR capabilities built in..but hell what doesnt these days?
sounds like it does 2 things
1. access to OTA signals you should be able to get anyway if you have a strong enough antenna
2. dvr to record those networks if you dont happen to be around when they're on live.
so whats the problem again? the cable & sat companies want the OTA experience as miserable as possible for end users so they 'buy into' their networks to gain access to NBC?
Posted on 4/22/14 at 5:04 pm to Taxing Authority
It is directly connected!!!! Not sure what is hard to understand about that.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 5:07 pm to darkhorse
quote:Must be a long wire.
It is directly connected!!!! Not sure what is hard to understand about that.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 5:09 pm to C
Yes way. They have already been very vocal about that due to this court case. Btw... they are not the only service that does this.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 5:15 pm to Taxing Authority
As stated, this service is a rental of a antenna. It's not just one antenna either. When you subscribe, they put up an antenna for your use and your use alone.
Then they run the wire (internet) to your tv.
Again, this is simply not stealing a signal. It's renting an antenna for your personal use.
Then they run the wire (internet) to your tv.
Again, this is simply not stealing a signal. It's renting an antenna for your personal use.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 5:35 pm to darkhorse
quote:im confused. Do they transcribe it and retransmit via internet, or do they physically run coax to your house? If the latter, than I'm completely wrong about the whole thing.
Then they run the wire (internet) to your tv.
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