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re: Abortion is the #1 priority for suburban women in swing states in 2024

Posted on 8/26/24 at 10:00 am to
Posted by YouKnowImRight
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Member since Oct 2023
2829 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 10:00 am to
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They prefer fatalism to winning


If you don't have principles on the easy things, your principles on the hard ones are meaningless. The fact that the sacrifice of children is a political talking point is proof positive the American Experiment has failed.
Posted by TN Tygah
Member since Nov 2023
7837 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 10:02 am to
This is why Republicans need to concede the issue. It will eventually cost them every election until they do, then the Democrats will just have their way with it anyway.

It’s a losing battle. Roe cost us the red wave in 2022. If Kamala wins in 2024, it’ll be a big reason.

You can’t just tell these people “it’s OK we just put it back to the states.” I agree, it was overblown. But read the room and you’ll realize that when Roe was overturned, all suburban women heard was, “You and everyone you know will give birth to your rapists’ baby once a year and you will like it.”

They’re fricking dumbasses but their votes count and pro-lifers will not win this battle.
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
85261 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 10:02 am to
False choice is false. It is now established law. Trump is personally pro-life and supports the rights of the States to decide, He opposes any attempt to establish a federal ban on abortion, Harris is personally pro-abortion and wants to federalize and expand abortion rights up to and including advocating for zero limitations on abortion and even denying healthcare to babies who survive abortion. That's the choice, Not your superfluous false choices.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
53701 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 10:04 am to
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Imagine abortion being your number one issue right now

What a bunch of losers


This right here
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465792 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 10:05 am to
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Trump is personally pro-life and supports the rights of the States to decide, He opposes any attempt to establish a federal ban on abortion, Harris is personally pro-abortion and wants to federalize and expand abortion rights up to and including advocating for zero limitations on abortion and even denying healthcare to babies who survive abortion. That's the choice, Not your superfluous false choices.


This issue is a lot bigger than the presidential election in 2024.

It already neutered 2022, for instance

If you're against abortion you have to analyze the big picture rationally, or succumb to emotional thinking or fatalism. It's that simple.

Losing elections to Democrats means more abortions will occur. Does anyone disagree with that statement?
Posted by PapaZulu
Davidson, NC
Member since May 2014
411 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 10:07 am to
Why is it ok for the death penalty to be a state issue, but not abortion?

Why is it ok for a person to be fined up to $5k to upset a sea turtle egg but allow taxpayers to fund abortion?

2 very simple arguments that are never made.
Posted by Irish Knuckles
Nuwallins
Member since Jan 2015
1256 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 10:07 am to
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being pro-life is an overall losing strategy


going to hell for casting your lots with child sacrifice is also a losing strategy.

Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
15653 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 10:07 am to
I would wager large sums that the survey question did not call the issue “Abortion”. It probably read “Women’s Reproductive Rights”

Nevermind that the purpose is to NOT reproduce and I’m told men can get pregnant too, which should mean it’s no longer just a women’s rights issue.
Posted by tigereye58
Member since Jan 2007
2801 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 10:10 am to
All Trump needs to do is say over and over that his abortion policy is exactly what Bill Clinton’s was. It’s a states issue. And leave it at that.
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
53494 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 10:10 am to
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So what’s the winning formula?
SCOTUS made it an issue for individual states to decide. The Democratic Party’s Pravda is not going to tell that story. If they did, it isn’t going to satisfy these soulless self-centered women in question. They want a federal law to commit Infanticide.

You want conservative pro-lifers to say hey, just kidding, forget about it, y’all kill all the babies you want? It’s okay. Personal convenience, careers, profits for the abortion industry are suitable justification for an American holocaust of mass infanticide. Nearly 70,000,000 and counting. People hate big Ag and big Pharma but the abortion abattoirs get a pass? Literally blood money.


You're right on all of this.

I have no idea what is "the winning formula". I wish I did.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465792 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 10:10 am to
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going to hell for casting your lots with child sacrifice is also a losing strategy.

You don't go to hell for this, if you hold your personal views. This is something else entirely
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
85261 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 10:13 am to
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If you're against abortion you have to analyze the big picture rationally, or succumb to emotional thinking or fatalism. It's that simple.


You say this about EVERY topic. What you call "emotional thinking" I call moral clarity. I'm actually very unemotional about it-I would date a woman who is pro-abortion for instance. I respect the views of people who are pro-abortion for instance. However, my MORAL CLARITY disallows me from favoring the extermination of babies in the womb. I will happily form a coalition with those who disagree with this to win an election (as we see now) and loathe political litmus tests, but I obviously will not abandon a core principle for political expediency. Understand the difference?
Posted by Figgy
CenCal
Member since May 2020
9742 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 10:14 am to
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No way that this is a valid poll.


In swing states? Sure it is.

I was also one of the posters that was warning about abortion. It’s a real issue once you get out of red state America. Which is where the overwhelming majority of posters here live. This is a blind spot for many of you. Like Stout, I am also pro-life but it is a losing issue due to the emotions involved and the heavy manipulation the dems use. As our morals have changed so has society.

The economy should be number one but it hasn’t imploded as much as it needs to in order to impact the voters that this poll is focused on. Illegal immigration also isn’t at the forefront for these voters either. Location matters and they’re insulated from this unlike the border states.
Posted by Undertow
Member since Sep 2016
8850 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 10:15 am to
Abortion is an irrelevant issue now that R v W has been overturned. Neither congress nor the president can legalize it or ban it at the federal level.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46053 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 10:16 am to
So, be pro choice to win elections so you can cheat the people once elected?

What’s unreasonable about being prolife, but committing to no national bans and letting states regulate it? The problem isn’t the rigidity of the right’s position. The main stream right is MUCH less extreme than the prevailing left on abortion. The issue is the “taking away health rights” rhetoric which works with woman, but is a straight up lie.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21794 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 10:17 am to
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If you're against abortion you have to analyze the big picture rationally, or succumb to emotional thinking or fatalism. It's that simple.

I don't see the issue here. There is 30-35% all things whackjob liberal baked into any poll of women of any stripe. Is someone arguing in this thread that if Trump was pro-abortion, he'd be getting any of these 39% of suburban women? frick no he wouldn't, because if it's not abortion it's transitioning kids or the "fact" that Trump is a racist and literal Hitler.

Frankly, I'm pleasantly surprised that abortion is the biggest issue for only 39% of suburban women. The way Dems play it up and Republicans gnash their teeth over it, I would have thought this number would be 70%.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
112443 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 10:18 am to
frick em.

I hope they enjoy their abortion rights when their daughters are raped by illegals.

Oh...wait...there are exceptions for that.

Repeal the 19th Amendment
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295744 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 10:20 am to
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or succumb to emotional thinking


Most pro abortion action is emotion driven. They even have slogans and softball chants to go along with the drivel.

This post was edited on 8/26/24 at 10:22 am
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
23044 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 10:22 am to
Abortion is no longer a national issue but a state issue. What else can Trump really say other than simply I’m leaving it up to the states and 9 nine folks in black robes.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295744 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 10:23 am to
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What else can Trump really say other than simply I’m leaving it up to the states


Its the reasonable thing to say, however the "emotion driven" left wants a constitutional guarantee.
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