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A question about raising the legal age for gun purchases to 21 for all guns

Posted on 2/21/18 at 6:07 pm
Posted by L.A.
The Mojave Desert
Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 2/21/18 at 6:07 pm
In California you have to be 21 to buy a handgun, but only 18 to buy a rifle or a shotgun. I think similar laws exist in many other states.

Question: Those who oppose making 21 the legal age for purchasing any gun, on what grounds would you object to making this change?

TIA

This post was edited on 2/21/18 at 6:27 pm
Posted by Swoopin
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 2/21/18 at 6:09 pm to
nb4shallnotbeinfringed
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
32506 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 6:11 pm to
quote:

Those who oppose making 21 the legal age for ownership of any gun, on what grounds would you object to making this change?

If this is true, how are teenagers getting their hands on handguns and killing each other?

Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41644 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 6:11 pm to
I think the handgun age limit should be lowered to 18, as well. If 18 is the legal age where you are an adult and can be your own person (out from your parents care) with your own responsibilities, you should also have the right to self defense afforded to all other adults.

Plus, what age are they going to raise it to next when a 21 year old goes on a spree? 25? 30? 35? Only those eligible for SSI are old enough to own them?

I don't like arbitrary restrictions.
Posted by L.A.
The Mojave Desert
Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 2/21/18 at 6:18 pm to
quote:

I don't like arbitrary restrictions.
First actual answer. Thanks.
Posted by matsuflex
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2009
1523 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 6:18 pm to
Because I can die in the military at 17 protecting your freedom, but I can't buy a gun to protect my family.
Posted by L.A.
The Mojave Desert
Member since Aug 2003
61199 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 6:21 pm to
quote:

Because I can die in the military at 17 protecting your freedom, but I can't buy a gun to protect my family.
If a 17 year old has a family to protect, isn't that in and of itself proof that the 17 year old in question makes bad decisions?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259898 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 6:23 pm to
Thats crazy to me. One of the joys in life of a young boy is getting that first .22 rifle.
Posted by autauga
Member since Sep 2015
3652 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 6:25 pm to
quote:

Because I can die in the military at 17 protecting your freedom, but I can't buy a gun to protect my family.

Do the 16 weeks of basic and AIT training and you can buy yourself a rifle.
Posted by Tiger4Liberty
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2015
2423 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 6:25 pm to
I think there is ample evidence that shows that there are plenty of 18 year olds (and younger) who are mature enough to responsibly own any type of firearm. I had a driver's license at 15 and would drive myself on hunting trips many hours from home. I followed the hunting laws and practiced safe gun handling. My kids did the same.

However, I have no problem (even though I personally disagree with the age being set at 21) with our society deciding that people can't be considered responsible adults until a certain age.

Here's the kicker, if we're going to agree that 21 is that age, then we should be consistent.

Age of consent to sexual relations= 21
Age of military service= 21
Age to enter a contract= 21
Parents in charge of your life until 21
Voting rights= 21

and wait for it...

The school shooter who just shot the kids in Parkland Florida was 19. Why is he being tried as an adult? Shouldn't his case be handled in family court? After all, he wasn't an adult of 21, right?
Posted by matsuflex
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2009
1523 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 6:26 pm to
So you think it's fair to be in the military or even law enforcement and not legally be able to own a gun??
Posted by L.A.
The Mojave Desert
Member since Aug 2003
61199 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 6:26 pm to
quote:

One of the joys in life of a young boy is getting that first .22 rifle.
You make an important distinction. I should't have said gun ownership. I should have said purchasing a gun. You owned the gun as a boy, but I'm sure you didn't purchase it. So I'm really talking about raising the age for gun purchases to 21. I'll make that change in the OP.

Posted by OleManDixon
Lexington
Member since Jan 2018
9234 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 6:26 pm to
This would be on the table for me if we also move military minimums, adult offender status, legal participation in contracts, etc. to 21. All of this you’re an adult at this age for this part of life at 18, 21 for this one and when we decide you’ve committed an “adult crime” for still another.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 6:26 pm to
Kids are stupid. I dont agree with raising the age but I don't really care either.
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
18966 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 6:27 pm to
What does raising the age limit accomplish? I know lots of people who were bought guns by their dad’s at a young age. It might have stayed in dad’s gun cabinet until they reached a certain age, but it was their gun. If 19 yr old son wants an AR and pops is willing, an age limit isn’t going to stop the purchase.

Purchasing means nothing unless you attach some sort of ban on possessing an AR until you are a certain age, and we all know how fast that would be challenged in court.
This post was edited on 2/21/18 at 6:30 pm
Posted by tjv305
Member since May 2015
12506 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 6:28 pm to
I would be ok with raising the legal age to own a gun to 21 if you also change voting rights to 21 .
Posted by Tesla
the Laurentian Abyss
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 2/21/18 at 6:28 pm to
As part of a broader issue, I would be okay with that only if there is a waiver for anyone who is or has been in the military (good standing) or has completed a safety course. Although, I think it should be for any age-limited right or privilege. Old enough to die for your country? Old enough to drink, vote or buy a gun.
Posted by L.A.
The Mojave Desert
Member since Aug 2003
61199 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 6:29 pm to
quote:

I would be ok with raising the legal age to own a gun to 21 if you also change voting rights to 21 .
I favor both of those. 21 WAS the legal voting age in the USA until 1971.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259898 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 6:30 pm to
Purchases? No problem with a reasonable age limit.

Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64157 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 6:30 pm to
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