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A PolitiFact worth pointing to
Posted on 3/23/21 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 3/23/21 at 3:33 pm
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Have a feeling that this would at best be "half true" if it was against a leftist opinion but ultimately the point is there that when adjusted for percentage of population white people are less likely to commmit a mass shooting than other groups.
Claim: "White men have committed more mass shootings than any other group."
Newsweek's claim is literally accurate. But it's worth noting the imprecision of this data, and the percentage of mass shootings by white men is lower than their share of the male population, according to Mother Jones.
Have a feeling that this would at best be "half true" if it was against a leftist opinion but ultimately the point is there that when adjusted for percentage of population white people are less likely to commmit a mass shooting than other groups.
Claim: "White men have committed more mass shootings than any other group."
Newsweek's claim is literally accurate. But it's worth noting the imprecision of this data, and the percentage of mass shootings by white men is lower than their share of the male population, according to Mother Jones.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 3:38 pm to Sailin Tiger
If "Mass Shooting" is defined as "an incident in which four or more people, excluding the perpetrator(s), are shot in one location at roughly the same time" then the race of the mass shooting perpetrators in the U.S. in 2020 is as follows when race of the perpetrator is known:
73% Black
14% White
14% Latino.
ETA: The trick is defining "mass shootings" as requiring a certain number of deaths rather than a certain number of people shot. Recently 15 people were shot in an incident in Chicago. Only 2 died. Mass Shooting?
73% Black
14% White
14% Latino.
ETA: The trick is defining "mass shootings" as requiring a certain number of deaths rather than a certain number of people shot. Recently 15 people were shot in an incident in Chicago. Only 2 died. Mass Shooting?
This post was edited on 3/23/21 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 3/23/21 at 3:45 pm to Sailin Tiger
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according to Mother Jones.
They used Mother Jones as a "fact-check" source?
Posted on 3/23/21 at 3:48 pm to Sailin Tiger
Blacks are over-represented among offenders in each category of aggressive crime: in homicide at a level 315% greater than their representation in the general population, in sexual assault at a level 404% as great, in aggravated assault at 274% greater than their representation in the general population.
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Democrats like to perform their mass genocide on babies. 300,000 black babies killed each year.
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Democrats like to perform their mass genocide on babies. 300,000 black babies killed each year.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 3:50 pm to Epaminondas
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ETA: The trick is defining "mass shootings" as requiring a certain number of deaths rather than a certain number of people shot. Recently 15 people were shot in an incident in Chicago. Only 2 died. Mass Shooting?
Let's just exclude all the shootings where the gunman held the gun on its side.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 4:04 pm to Sailin Tiger
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Have a feeling that this would at best be "half true" if it was against a leftist opinion
At worst whites have committed mass shootings in proportion to their population. At best they are slightly less then what you would expect depending on whose data you use.
Polifact should rate this half truth. As always, their analysis is better then their biased conclusions.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 4:32 pm to BiteMe2020
This is a solid reference and I appreciate your sharing it. I will carry forth with this in future discussions,
Posted on 3/23/21 at 4:34 pm to Epaminondas
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73% Black
14% White
14% Latino.
I am building a personal reference list. I do not doubt your figures but would ask for source.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 5:20 pm to IslandBuckeye
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I do not doubt your figures but would ask for source.
New York Times - nearly 3/4 of victims and assailants in 2015's mass shootings in which race could be identified were black
Race (when known) of mass shooting perpetrators in 2020
Posted on 3/23/21 at 5:44 pm to Sailin Tiger
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Mother Jones defines a public mass shooting as an incident in which the motive appeared to be indiscriminate killing and a lone gunman took the lives of at least three people.
Such a stupid delineation.
So if I was Muslim and wanted to kill heathens, well even if I killed 10, that's not a mass shooting because it wasn't indiscriminate?
Gang shooting where they are trying to kill certain people are not indiscriminate?
They use that nonsensical point to cut down on all the gang related mass shootings.
If they were included, I'm guessing the stats are heavily weighted a different direction. A direction that mother Jones doesn't want the article to go...
Posted on 3/23/21 at 6:10 pm to Sailin Tiger
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Top ten cities for unsolved mass shootings
1
Miami
3
2
Houston
2
3
Phoenix
2
4
Oakland
2
5
Gresham
2
6
Bloomingdale
1
7
Mohnton
1
8
Memphis
1
9
Rochester
1
10
Thibodaux
1
Thibodaux officially on the map
Posted on 3/23/21 at 6:11 pm to thetempleowl
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If they were included, I'm guessing the stats are heavily weighted a different direction. A direction that mother Jones doesn't want the article to go...
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Mass shootings with a known perpetratror : 149
Perpetrators by race :
Black 118 (73%)
White 22 (14%)
Latino 22 (14%)
Asian 0 (0%)
Posted on 3/23/21 at 6:45 pm to thetempleowl
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Such a stupid delineation.
I think what they want to track are psychopaths who kill just to kill. That is to say, people with no political or religious motive. People like the Las Vegas shooter or Columbine or Sandy Hook. In other words "rampage killers."
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So if I was Muslim and wanted to kill heathens, well even if I killed 10, that's not a mass shooting because it wasn't indiscriminate?
I think they would define that as an act of terrorism. Terrorism is defined as having a political or religious motive that looks to force change or intimidate government officials (or the public). The IRA would be a good example of classic terrorism (We are tired of the English fricking with us, so we're going to start bombing). Al Qaeda is another example.
However, traditionally terrorism has been defined as being organized and a conspiracy (a network of people acting in unison, often with a command structure). What we've seen in recent years usually doesn't fit that definition exactly. I would say most of the attacks nowadays are "lone wolf" terrorism. People who aren't even members of a group but are acting in sympathy to the group or cause.
Again, I understand what you're saying. I am just pointing out that there is value in breaking it down like this for sociological study. If we have people with no terrorist motives going around gunning down people, it's good for society to find out exactly why this happens. We already know why ISIS or Al Qaeda do what they do, so we need to understand why these other people are acting out.
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