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A Brief history of Conservatism
Posted on 2/17/20 at 8:57 am
Posted on 2/17/20 at 8:57 am
A brief history of Conservatism
Edmund Burke and Joseph de Maistre are founders of modern conservative thought. Most of their political theory was created while writing about the French Revolution.
They were both influenced by Thomas Hobbes whose works were more focused on the previous English Civil War.
All 3 of these men defended the concept of maintaining a monarchy. They found the idea of a democracy controlled by the common people "repulsive".
They believed that the problem was not the monarchy system that leads to revolution, but that the wrong people were in charge. Perhaps bloodline hierarchy was not the most efficient means of controlling the populace, but another system with similar results could take its place. Burke especially wanted to know how the nobility could keep their position after the dissolution of the monarchy.
In the early 19th century the prevailing economic theory of the time was championed by Adam Smith. It is known primarily as the Labor Theory of Value.
Labor Theory of Value or LTV
This theory formed the basis of what would later be considered The Marginal Revolution. It had leading men such as Stanley Jevons, Carl Menger, and Leon Malras. The concentration of their efforts was on marginalism. Marginalism in simple terms is the idea that a created product and how it benefits the consumer is of more value than the labor required to produce it. The collage of theories created roughly after Burke but before Hayek coagulated into what is modern conservatism.
Friedrich Nietzsche - Only the most intellectual of men have the right to beauty, to the beautiful, only in them can goodness escape being a weakness.
James Fitzjames Stephen - To obey a real superior, to submit to a real necessity and make the best of it in good part, is one of the most important of all virtues-a virtue essential to the attainment of anything great and lasting.
Hayek- The freedom that will be used by only one man in a million may be more important to society and more beneficial to the majority than any freedom that we all use.
Joseph Schumpeter- What may be attained by industrial or commercial success is still the nearest approach to medieval lordship possible to modern man.
Conservatism upholds the status quo and defends the powerful. First from democracy, now from social justice.
Conservatism is a reactionary politics that has, at best, mixed feelings about democracy.
Liberalism is ill-equipped to deal with the problem of conservatism and does fully commit to its democratic principles.
References:
Alt-America, by David Neiwert
Alternative Influence, by Rebecca Lewis
Civility in the Digital Age, by Andrea Weckerle
Don’t Think of an Elephant, by George Lakoff
Eclipse of Reason, by Max Horkheimer
Fascism Today, by Shane Burley
Healing from Hate, by Michael Kimmel
How Propaganda Works, by Jason Stanley
Indoctrination over Objectivity?, by Marrissa S. Ballard
Media Manipulation & Disinformation Online, by Alice Marwick and Rebecca Lewis
Neoliberalism and the Far Right, by Neil Davidson and Richard Saull
On Revolution, by Hannah Arendt
Stamped from the Beginning, Ibram X. Kendi
Terror, Love, and Brainwashing, by Alexandra Stein
The Anatomy of Fascism, by Robert O. Paxton
The Authoritarians, by Bob Altemeyer
The Dictator’s Handbook, by Bruce Bueno de Mesquita & Alastair Smith
The Entrepreneurial State, by Mariana Mazzucato
The Origins of Totalitarianism, by Hannah Arendt
This is an Uprising, by Mark and Paul Engler
Ur-Fascism, by Umberto Eco
Edmund Burke and Joseph de Maistre are founders of modern conservative thought. Most of their political theory was created while writing about the French Revolution.
They were both influenced by Thomas Hobbes whose works were more focused on the previous English Civil War.
All 3 of these men defended the concept of maintaining a monarchy. They found the idea of a democracy controlled by the common people "repulsive".
They believed that the problem was not the monarchy system that leads to revolution, but that the wrong people were in charge. Perhaps bloodline hierarchy was not the most efficient means of controlling the populace, but another system with similar results could take its place. Burke especially wanted to know how the nobility could keep their position after the dissolution of the monarchy.
In the early 19th century the prevailing economic theory of the time was championed by Adam Smith. It is known primarily as the Labor Theory of Value.
Labor Theory of Value or LTV
This theory formed the basis of what would later be considered The Marginal Revolution. It had leading men such as Stanley Jevons, Carl Menger, and Leon Malras. The concentration of their efforts was on marginalism. Marginalism in simple terms is the idea that a created product and how it benefits the consumer is of more value than the labor required to produce it. The collage of theories created roughly after Burke but before Hayek coagulated into what is modern conservatism.
Friedrich Nietzsche - Only the most intellectual of men have the right to beauty, to the beautiful, only in them can goodness escape being a weakness.
James Fitzjames Stephen - To obey a real superior, to submit to a real necessity and make the best of it in good part, is one of the most important of all virtues-a virtue essential to the attainment of anything great and lasting.
Hayek- The freedom that will be used by only one man in a million may be more important to society and more beneficial to the majority than any freedom that we all use.
Joseph Schumpeter- What may be attained by industrial or commercial success is still the nearest approach to medieval lordship possible to modern man.
Conservatism upholds the status quo and defends the powerful. First from democracy, now from social justice.
Conservatism is a reactionary politics that has, at best, mixed feelings about democracy.
Liberalism is ill-equipped to deal with the problem of conservatism and does fully commit to its democratic principles.
References:
Alt-America, by David Neiwert
Alternative Influence, by Rebecca Lewis
Civility in the Digital Age, by Andrea Weckerle
Don’t Think of an Elephant, by George Lakoff
Eclipse of Reason, by Max Horkheimer
Fascism Today, by Shane Burley
Healing from Hate, by Michael Kimmel
How Propaganda Works, by Jason Stanley
Indoctrination over Objectivity?, by Marrissa S. Ballard
Media Manipulation & Disinformation Online, by Alice Marwick and Rebecca Lewis
Neoliberalism and the Far Right, by Neil Davidson and Richard Saull
On Revolution, by Hannah Arendt
Stamped from the Beginning, Ibram X. Kendi
Terror, Love, and Brainwashing, by Alexandra Stein
The Anatomy of Fascism, by Robert O. Paxton
The Authoritarians, by Bob Altemeyer
The Dictator’s Handbook, by Bruce Bueno de Mesquita & Alastair Smith
The Entrepreneurial State, by Mariana Mazzucato
The Origins of Totalitarianism, by Hannah Arendt
This is an Uprising, by Mark and Paul Engler
Ur-Fascism, by Umberto Eco
Posted on 2/17/20 at 9:03 am to volod
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Conservatism upholds the status quo and defends the powerful. First from democracy, now from social justice.
So what is it when the powerful are all pushing social justice and are anti-conservative?
Posted on 2/17/20 at 9:12 am to volod
Conservatism is not something that is born out of theory. Conservatism is born out of the human desire for freedom, preservation of liberty and and a society built on equal opportunity for all (i.e, an even playing field) which are all fundamental rights given to us by our Creator and will never change.
This is directly opposed to socialist thought where laws are based on envy and the ultimate goal is a society with laws that force equal outcomes.
One system brings out the best in humans and the other brings out the worst.
You figure out which is which.
This is directly opposed to socialist thought where laws are based on envy and the ultimate goal is a society with laws that force equal outcomes.
One system brings out the best in humans and the other brings out the worst.
You figure out which is which.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 9:16 am to volod
Ignore this jackass, a brief overview of conservative beliefs or classical liberal beliefs can be found in Fedrich Bastiats The Law.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 9:18 am to volod
That wasn’t brief... or accurate
This post was edited on 2/17/20 at 9:19 am
Posted on 2/17/20 at 9:20 am to volod
American Conservatism and European Conservatism (which is what you are actually describing) are NOT the same thing.
American conservatism has nothing to do with attempting to preserve old institutions or prevent social change. It has to do with conserving the principles upon which the country was founded as the basis for government and policy. Liberty and Self-determination, equal protection under the law, fundamental human rights, etc
American conservatism has nothing to do with attempting to preserve old institutions or prevent social change. It has to do with conserving the principles upon which the country was founded as the basis for government and policy. Liberty and Self-determination, equal protection under the law, fundamental human rights, etc
This post was edited on 2/17/20 at 9:25 am
Posted on 2/17/20 at 9:21 am to volod
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A steaming pile of pseudo-intellectual trash. Which also describes the OP.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 9:24 am to Redbonebandit
Well, good thing we are not a democracy.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 9:25 am to truthbetold
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You're better than this
No, he's not
Posted on 2/17/20 at 9:30 am to truthbetold
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You're better than this
Posted on 2/17/20 at 9:31 am to volod
Conservatism is taking traditions that have worked for centuries, keeping (conserving) it around, and applying it to current issues.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 9:34 am to volod
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the idea of a democracy controlled by the common people "repulsive". They believed that the problem was not the monarchy system that leads to revolution, but that the wrong people were in charge.
Where is the lie
Posted on 2/17/20 at 9:34 am to Indefatigable
European Conservatism was about preserving the authority of the monarchy and the church.
American Conservatism is about preserving the Constitution against those who wish to expand it, amend it, or ignore it. The only place where American and European conservatives tend to somewhat overlap in beliefs us a reverence for military/police and in support for traditional Christian values.
American Conservatism is about preserving the Constitution against those who wish to expand it, amend it, or ignore it. The only place where American and European conservatives tend to somewhat overlap in beliefs us a reverence for military/police and in support for traditional Christian values.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 9:38 am to volod
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Conservatism upholds the status quo and defends the powerful. First from democracy, now from social justice.
Conservatism is a reactionary politics that has, at best, mixed feelings about democracy.
Liberalism is ill-equipped to deal with the problem of conservatism and does fully commit to its democratic principles.
I’m sorry our education so completely and utterly failed to educate you. It absolutely succeeded in indoctrinating you to ignorance.
A simple rudimentary unbiased understanding of the conservative values of personal freedom and responsibility would immediately and thoroughly disprove your entire post.
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Edmund Burke and Joseph de Maistre are founders of modern conservative thought.
To grossly oversimplify things for you, James Maddison is the father and founder of modern American conservatism.
This post was edited on 2/17/20 at 9:40 am
Posted on 2/17/20 at 9:40 am to Chef Free Gold Bloom
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conservative values of personal freedom
Personal freedom is very much an American “conservative” (liberal)value
This post was edited on 2/17/20 at 9:40 am
Posted on 2/17/20 at 9:43 am to Caplewood
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Personal freedom is very much an American “conservative” (liberal)value
We live in present day America. When we discuss politics we discuss it as present day Americans as seen through our current culture. Here in 2000s American society personal freedom is a conservative value. I don’t care at all to discuss European 1800s conservatism and attempt to force 2000s American conservatism into that box.
The twisting of the glass to view current problems and principles through a distorted historical lens is very much an American liberal thing to do.
This post was edited on 2/17/20 at 9:48 am
Posted on 2/17/20 at 9:45 am to volod
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Conservatism upholds the status quo and defends the powerful.
So, if you lived in the USSR and you wanted to protect communism and you opposed free market reforms then you were a conservative? See how stupid that is?
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