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re: 30-year fixed-rate mortgages reach 7.15%

Posted on 10/19/22 at 7:26 pm to
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 10/19/22 at 7:26 pm to
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Okay nerd. Hopefully you're okay with the other 99.9% of my post, you know, the actual context/gist/point of it.
Actually, it made it seem like you were trying to pretend you knew/understood more than you actually do. Jury is still out.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 10/19/22 at 7:28 pm to
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It should be noted that people were also complaining when the values of houses were sky rocketing

Now they're complaining that they're going back down
There is certainly no shortage of disingenuousness and hypocrisy.

They very idea that homes getting cheaper is "intentionally anti-home-ownership" is utterly absurd.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38370 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 7:33 pm to
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but this happened under Trump and even he is not to blame.
I mean, he yelled at the fed when they wanted to raise rates.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38370 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 7:36 pm to
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30-year fixed-rate mortgages reach 7.15%

7.25%
Just like we do with the global warming stuff, I'll ask: what's the right rate?
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 10/19/22 at 7:45 pm to
A $250,000 loan at 2.5% is equal in monthly payments as a $150,000 loan at 7.25% at ~$1,000 per month.
Posted by Rhino5
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2014
30790 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 8:16 pm to
Biden is the worst President in modern history.

He’s not even American. He’s a globalist trying to destroy wealth.

2 years ago, gas was under $2, interest rates were under 3%, 401ks were soaring.

Biden is absolutely anti-American and trying to hurt us.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 10/19/22 at 8:21 pm to
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Just like we do with the global warming stuff, I'll ask: what's the right rate?
For loan rates as well as global warming temps we can safely say the "right" rate/number is something FAR less than a 3-fold increase over 12-months.
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
14820 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 8:23 pm to
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Just like we do with the global warming stuff, I'll ask: what's the right rate?


Look, I'll agree that we had rates that were probably too low and caused a very speculative market, but 7%+ is encroaching on unsecured loan territory.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465526 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 8:27 pm to
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We’d be astronomically better

How?

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But you’ll still vote Democrat

Oh. Sorry. You're a Kige.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
79888 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 9:30 pm to
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7.15%



pretty average for my adult experience
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/19/22 at 9:43 pm to
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$250,000 loan at 2.5% is equal in monthly payments as a $150,000 loan at 7.25% at ~$1,000 per month.


And 2.5 percent interest rates caused homes in many markets to go up 100k or more in a single year

So I guess it evens out if the prices crash. And honestly I hope they do.
Posted by tigerfive
Member since Nov 2020
529 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 10:06 pm to
One thing no one has mentioned is that lower home values plus higher interest rates means that for the same amount of payment each month, the lender gets more of the pie. High home prices and low rates mean that more of the money spent is going to individuals who then spend it in the economy. This is a squeeze and the lenders are going to reap the windfalls.
Posted by Flashback
reading the chicken bones
Member since Apr 2008
8479 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 10:26 pm to
I'm so glad I went cash with my IRA in may. I wish I had done it sooner.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 10/19/22 at 10:28 pm to
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So you think rates in the 3% range was sustainable? Even with Trump?



High 3s yes it would have been if we didnt have 40yr inflation highs
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38370 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 11:44 pm to
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but 7%+ is encroaching on unsecured loan territory.
Only when seen through the prism of the past 10-15 years. As recently as 2000 they were over 8%.

It's funny how people seem to hate inflation...unless it's their house that's inflating.
Posted by Onyx Aggie
Foothills of the Smokies
Member since Sep 2012
2583 posts
Posted on 10/20/22 at 1:40 am to
Just as I'm selling my house. Perfect.
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
16342 posts
Posted on 10/20/22 at 3:30 am to
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Feds dont move Mortgage Rates inflation does
inflation, the economy, employment AND Fed policy ALL affect mortgage rates. The fed funds rate is the benchmark at which banks borrow and lend money and any increase is passed directly to consumers.
And all these comparisons to 1980 fail to include the national debt that must be serviced at higher rates.

1980 - Debt $980B 32% debt to GDP
2022 - Debt $30T 123% debt to GDP

Comparing todays interest rates to the 1980s is apples to hand grenades
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
16342 posts
Posted on 10/20/22 at 3:34 am to
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Just remember what high rates due to our gov huge deficit
correcton: debt not deficit. the elephant in the room that these "muh 15% in 1980" folks are ignoring
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
16342 posts
Posted on 10/20/22 at 3:41 am to
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Who was president when the helicopter money train started?
Bernanke first advocated for it in 2002 but 2008 was when it took off as a response to the financial meltdown.
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
16342 posts
Posted on 10/20/22 at 4:36 am to
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Trump was all for QE and low interest rates…
quote:

2012 Senator Schumer Tells Bernanke: 'Get To Work, Mr. Chairman'

no one has stood up and told the truth about the fed except Ron Paul
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