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re: 2014 May = warmest on record.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:42 am to catholictigerfan
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:42 am to catholictigerfan
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you completely missed his point.
he said the hottest recorded month is only for a small period in earth's history.
Yeah.
We know that.
I think it actually says so in the article.
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Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:44 am to Ace Midnight
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Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant.
Thank you.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:44 am to SpidermanTUba
and I continue with what is the big deal?
why should I be concerned with global warming.
The doomsday crap that people like al gore said is clearly over the top.
if temps go up an average of a couple degrees Celsius over the next 30 years why would that be destructive to the earth?
why should I be concerned with global warming.
The doomsday crap that people like al gore said is clearly over the top.
if temps go up an average of a couple degrees Celsius over the next 30 years why would that be destructive to the earth?
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:45 am to JOJO Hammer
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Yes, but is a company goes over it's cap buy credits from another company (increase in cost) or the gooberment will tax the frick out of them (increase in cost). These increases in cost will be past to the consumer.
You have entirely neglected the reduction in cost to the seller of the credits in your calculation. That seems like an obvious flaw.
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And let's be honest the caps will be set at some point which is almost inpossible to stay beneith so everyone will be taxed.
That's not actually true. The version of cap&trade actually proposed begins with caps barely under current emissions.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:46 am to Choctaw
quote:k I'll make sure to let NASA know.
its snowing in Utah right now
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:46 am to OMLandshark
quote:It's used all the time. "Funded by Exxon" is a common ad hominem used to dismiss any contrary finding. Many are simply throwing that argument back at the warmists. They too, have much to gain from political action.
I think the "get rich" is a silly argument against climate change,
quote:No one has more power, and more to gain in the game than government. They are not a neutral actor in the politicizing of the science.
I'd imagine they have a much more powerful lobbying firm than the wind power industry does
This post was edited on 6/19/14 at 10:50 am
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:47 am to S.E.C. Crazy
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More ice in the oceans than ever before you brainwashed, ignorant azz0.
The melting or formation of sea ice doesn't actually change the sea level.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:48 am to Ace Midnight
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But you would admit that comparing fossil records to living, breathing examples of animals is not exactly an apples-to-oranges comparison, correct?
That's it. From now on, the minute your post mentions an apple, orange, or other fruit - I stop reading.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:48 am to TejasHorn
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it snowed in utah in june though.
science = false.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:48 am to SpidermanTUba
plum
spiderman is amazing
spiderman is amazing
This post was edited on 6/19/14 at 10:49 am
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:57 am to catholictigerfan
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why should I be concerned with global warming.
Initially it will be of the biggest concern only to few billion people who live near a coast. Rising sea levels = more flood water with each storm. Sea levels are actually rising faster than most IPCC models predict.
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The doomsday crap that people like al gore said is clearly over the top.
Perhaps. You shouldn't listen to Al Gore anyway, he's a politician. Politicians routinely exaggerate science - that doesn't falsify the science.
So you should not get your science from politicians.
Or journalists, for similar reasons.
You should get your science from scientists.
The problem with that - of course - is most scientists would rather do science than talk to the public. A lot of them wouldn't even know how.
There are exceptions, however. I would recommend you start here, episode 11 : LINK
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:58 am to Homesick Tiger
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I always thought this was needed for plant growth? I sometimes wonder if people are getting dioxide and monoxide confused.
That's like saying that humans need food, so we should eat 15,000 calories a day to not starve. No one thinks that CO2 by itself is a bad thing, unless they're incredibly stupid or misinformed. If CO2 instantly disappeared, we'd all be dead within the hour.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:01 am to SpidermanTUba
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You have entirely neglected the reduction in cost to the seller of the credits in your calculation. That seems like an obvious flaw.
No I have not. I pointed out that companies that go above the limit will either buy credits from a seller or get taxed. I did not mention anything about the seller earning income (which is taxed).
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That's not actually true. The version of cap&trade actually proposed begins with caps barely under current emissions.
Proposed does not mean what goes into effect. Laws that have been passed have been changed after the president signed it (obamacare).
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The version of cap&trade actually proposed begins with caps barely under current emissions.
It starts below current emissions, and the following year it is lowered, then lowered, then lowered till companies can't keep up and are taxed.
Tax everything that's the governments solution.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:02 am to Taxing Authority
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It's used all the time. "Funded by Exxon" is a common ad hominem used to dismiss any contrary finding. Many are simply throwing that argument back at the warmists. They too, have much to gain from political action.
It's generally just a bad argument to say "someone's making money off of it". Of course someone is making money on it. The only time I think that's relevant is if someone is knowingly and purposely conning someone. That's really it.
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No one has more power, and more to gain in the game than government. They are not a neutral actor in the politicizing of the science.
Never said they were.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:03 am to OMLandshark
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It's not necessarily, since the planet needs CO2, but it's certainly getting an excess amount of it.
What should the appropriate levels of CO2 be?
(Don't say "lower" - I need a number that is optimal or a range.)
This post was edited on 6/19/14 at 11:05 am
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:08 am to OMLandshark
quote:Of course.
It's generally just a bad argument to say "someone's making money off of it". Of course someone is making money on it. The only time I think that's relevant is if someone is knowingly and purposely conning someone. That's really it.
quote:Fair enough. But surely you see the wide perception that government funded research is seen as neutral, pure and free from influence.
Never said they were.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:08 am to SpidermanTUba
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In April, monthly concentrations of carbon dioxide reached 400 parts per million for the first time in at least 800,000 years.
So, it's happened before and we're still here. Good to know.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:09 am to SpidermanTUba
Is this data part of the lousy data or is this data okay?
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:09 am to JayDeerTay84
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What caused high CO2 800,000 years ago? Did everything Die?
This ^^^^^^^^
Did my F250 cause it then? The simpletons and even the "intellectuals" refuse to use common sense. The planet has been going through these cycles since the beginning of time.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:09 am to SpidermanTUba
Cosmos is an unbias view on global warming 
edit: cosmos is a good show but when it comes to reporting good history especially on things religion has been WAY off. There is a huge liberal slant to it I just don't trust it.
edit: cosmos is a good show but when it comes to reporting good history especially on things religion has been WAY off. There is a huge liberal slant to it I just don't trust it.
This post was edited on 6/19/14 at 11:13 am
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