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re: 2014 May = warmest on record.

Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:05 am to
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:05 am to
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Who was recording the data 300,00 years before the existence of humans?


Layers of ice in Antartica are always good indicators.

But this is such a stupid point. Just because we didn't have working thermometers back 300,000 years ago and haven't recorded every single month's temperature since then doesn't mean we don't have a good idea what happened. It's like asking did we have video cameras to record evolution.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
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Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:07 am to
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It's like asking did we have video cameras to record evolution.




We have computers now. So all the fossil evidence collected before computers is no good now.

Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
59597 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:08 am to
you completely missed his point.

he said the hottest recorded month is only for a small period in earth's history.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:10 am to
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The +/- 0.5 C tolerance just means the thermometer will read within +/- 0.5C of 0 if you put it in a water/ice bath (at standard pressure bla bla).
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:14 am to
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But this is such a stupid point. Just because we didn't have working thermometers back 300,000 years ago and haven't recorded every single month's temperature since then doesn't mean we don't have a good idea what happened. It's like asking did we have video cameras to record evolution.


So, what was the global temperature for the month of May in 1327 and how does it compare to that for the month of May in 2014?
Posted by LSUnKaty
Katy, TX
Member since Dec 2008
4778 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:14 am to
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Would you like to talk about science
Ha - "science"

Is this the science board, oh no - we don't have a science board. Probably should be on the religion board anyway, oh wait - don;t have one of those either.

Oh look, it's on the Political Talk board.
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or what you like to talk about what I might say or not say under a given hypothetical circumstance?
Yep - that sounds like politics to me.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:16 am to
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The analogy is that 150 years to the age of the Earth, is about 3 seconds out of a century.


I think how Earth is now compared to the other 4.5 billion years is largely irrelevant. For at least 4 billion of those years, the environmental conditions on Earth would not support life on land. Then there was so much oxygen in the air that that would have killed us as well from oxygen poisoning, and it got so hot that it's theorized that the atmosphere could have caught literally on fire.

Obviously, we won't be dealing with situations this extreme, but I do think that a general inconvenience could be coming to our planet. I'm sure we'll recover, it just pisses me off when people don't even want to have a back-up plan just in case something 97% of scientists say that is going on actually happens. If we could harness 1% of the sun's energy, could you imagine what that could do? I'm just saying at least give it a shot.
Posted by JOJO Hammer
Member since Nov 2010
12324 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:17 am to
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You don't actually understand what cap & trade is, do you? Under cap and trade, companies don't receive money from big government to reduce their emissions. They receive money from other players in the market buying their unused allowances at market price.


Yes, but is a company goes over it's cap buy credits from another company (increase in cost) or the gooberment will tax the frick out of them (increase in cost). These increases in cost will be past to the consumer.

And let's be honest the caps will be set at some point which is almost inpossible to stay beneith so everyone will be taxed.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62538 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:17 am to
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Layers of ice in Antartica are always good indicators of conditions in Antarctica.
Proxy data is very limited by sample location, quality, and sparcity.

Taking a proxy sample at one location and extrapolating to the entire planet is the stuff of Briffa, Mann, etc. IOW, very easy to manipulate.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
119977 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:18 am to
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There's nothing the US can do about it. Our emissions are a drop in the bucket worldwide. China is the real problem if co2 is the problem. Until they do anything, co2 levels will continue to rise


That and India, I sadly agree, but we can at least try to help out the problem somewhat.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135493 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:19 am to
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Layers of ice in Antartica are always good indicators.

But this is such a stupid point. Just because we didn't have working thermometers back 300,000 years ago and haven't recorded every single month's temperature since then doesn't mean we don't have a good idea what happened
Indeed.

So had man possessed capability of performing such ice core analysis 10K yrs ago, or 100K yrs ago or 300K yrs ago, what would his predictions about current global temps have been?

IOW, studying those "layers of ice", what average temperature would our current global climate be expected to exhibit?

This post was edited on 6/19/14 at 10:20 am
Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
8480 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:19 am to
So, when the earth was formed was the temperature very hot or very cold? If it was very hot, wouldn't it be in a cooling phase?

Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109619 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:20 am to
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it just pisses me off when people don't even want to have a back-up plan just in case something 97% of scientists say that is going on actually happens


The odd thing is, though, I don't see a lot of people talking about and/or proposing "back-up plans" as much as I see people proposing how to take other people's money and/or how to make other people do different things, all for quite tenuous rationales, even assuming 97% of the scientists are absolutely correct as to what will happen, as you presuppose.
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:20 am to
its snowing in Utah right now
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
119977 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:21 am to
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I can't do anything about the sun, Spidey. Neither can you.


Actually, we can, in making it part of the solution to the problem. I really think we should be aiming more for solar, wind, and nuclear energy, and get off coal and oil as soon as we can.

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ETA: And it warms up 30 to 40 degrees in some single days where I live - that doesn't alarm me, either.


There's a difference between climate and weather.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
119977 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:23 am to
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Once they fail in convincing people about the CO2 bullshite, they will start claiming we need to "control" the Sun.


What CO2 bullshite? Are you claiming that CO2 doesn't warm the atmosphere?
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:24 am to
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There's a difference between climate and weather.


is the difference 1 month?
Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
59597 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:24 am to
many claim that warming leads to more co2 meaning that it isn't as big of a deal as many claim.

Note: have you noticed the past 14 years there hasn't been a large change in temperature but co2 continues to go up?
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133551 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:25 am to
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There's a difference between climate and weather.



is the difference 1 month?
:rimshot:
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
56121 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:27 am to
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its snowing in Utah


Some will say that it's liquid heat comprised in the form of solidified glacier melting that once it hits the earth and the core temperature of the earth releases it's breath, our oceans will rise considerably.
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