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2 years later: A COMPLETE cliffnotes summary of each Dossier allegation, and its status
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:41 pm
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:41 pm
In this thread, I will:
a) List EACH allegation and the date steele added it to dossier
b) List whether, after 2 years (jan 9th 2017 the dossier news broke), the allegations have been proven, disproven, or remain unsubstantiated.
This thread borrows heavily from LINK
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 1: DATE ADDED: JUNE 20, 2016
CLAIM: “The Russian authorities had been cultivating and supporting US Republican presidential candidate, Donald Trump for at least 5 years.”
STATUS: Unsubstantiated. Trump has adamantly denied receiving any help from the Russian government.
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 2: DATE ADDED: JUNE 20, 2016
CLAIM: “The Kremlin had been feeding Trump and his team valuable intelligence on his opponents, including Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, for several years.”
STATUS: Unsubstantiated. The Trump campaign has denied receiving help from the Kremlin during the campaign. But the date of this memo — June 20 — is significant because it followed 11 days after the Trump Tower meeting attended by Trump Jr., Kushner, Paul Manafort and a group of Russian lobbyists. Trump Jr. accepted the meeting after he was offered damaging information about Clinton, but he claims that no such information was provided.
One Trump aide, George Papadopoulos, met during the campaign with a professor named Joseph Mifsud who claimed to have learned that Russians had “dirt” on Clinton in the form of “thousands” of her emails. But Papadopoulos claims he was not offered the material and did not handle Clinton documents.
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 3: DATE ADDED: JUNE 20, 2016
CLAIM: “The Kremlin’s cultivation operation on Trump had also comprised offering him various lucrative real estate development deals in Russia.”
STATUS: Unsubstantiated. Trump and Cohen did negotiate to build a Trump Tower Moscow through at least June 2016, but it is not clear whether that was an attempt to cultivate either Trump or Cohen. Cohen pleaded guilty in the special counsel’s investigation on Nov. 29, 2018 to lying to Congress about the extent of his negotiations to build a Trump Tower in Russia. He spoke with an assistant to Kremlin official Peskov.
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 4: DATE ADDED: JUNE 20TH, 2016
CLAIM: Russians sought to “exploit Trump’s personal obsessions and sexual perversions to obtain suitable ‘kompromot’ [compromising material] on him.” Kremlin operatives filmed Trump in compromising positions in a Moscow hotel.
STATUS: Unsubstantiated. Glenn Simpson, founder of fusion GPS, doubts this claim, in part because the source of the claim, Bealursian businessman Sergei Millian, is unreliable.
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 5: DATE ADDED: JUNE 20, 2016
CLAIM: “The Clinton dossier was controlled exclusively by chief Kremlin spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, who was responsible for compiling/handling it on the explicit instructions of Putin himself.”
STATUS: Unsubstantiated. No evidence has been produced showing that Peskov personally handled the project. Some Russia observers have questioned why Putin’s chief spokesman would be in charge of the collusion operation.
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 6: DATE ADDED: JULY 19-30, 2016
CLAIM: “There was a well-developed conspiracy of co-operation between [the Trump campaign] and the Russian leadership.”
STATUS: Unsubstantiated. Trump and his campaign have adamantly denied the allegation. Numerous Trump associates had contacts with Russians, but so far none of those contacts involved attempts to influence the election.
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 7: DATE ADDED: JULY 19-30,2016
CLAIM: “This was managed on the Trump side by the Republican candidate’s campaign manager, Paul Manafort, who was using foreign policy advisor, Carter Page, and others as intermediaries.”
STATUS: Unsubstantiated. Both Manafort and Page say they do not know each other. Page, who served in a small volunteer role on the campaign, has also never met Trump. He has repeatedly denied the allegations against him in the Steele document, which he calls the “dodgy dossier.”
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 8: DATE ADDED: JULY 19-30
CLAIM: “The Russian regime had been behind the recent leak of embarrassing e-mail messages, emanating from the [Democratic National Committee], to the WikiLeaks platform.”
STATUS: CONFIRMED. The CIA, FBI, National Security Agency and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence all agree that Russian operatives hacked DNC emails and used WikiLeaks as a cutout to make them public.
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 9: DATE ADDED: JULY 19-30:
CLAIM: “The operation had been conducted with the full knowledge and support of Trump and senior members of the campaign team.”
STATUS: Unsubstantiated. Trump and his campaign have denied the allegation, and no evidence has been released that supports the collusion claim.
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 10: DATE ADDED: JULY 19-30
CLAIM: “Russian diplomatic staff in key cities like New York, Washington and Miami were using the emigre ‘pension’ distribution system as cover.”
STATUS: Unsubstantiated. While this dossier claim has not been proved, it has been reported that U.S. investigators are looking into whether a pension system that the Russian government uses to pay soldiers living abroad was used as cover to finance covert actions during the presidential campaign.
a) List EACH allegation and the date steele added it to dossier
b) List whether, after 2 years (jan 9th 2017 the dossier news broke), the allegations have been proven, disproven, or remain unsubstantiated.
This thread borrows heavily from LINK
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 1: DATE ADDED: JUNE 20, 2016
CLAIM: “The Russian authorities had been cultivating and supporting US Republican presidential candidate, Donald Trump for at least 5 years.”
STATUS: Unsubstantiated. Trump has adamantly denied receiving any help from the Russian government.
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 2: DATE ADDED: JUNE 20, 2016
CLAIM: “The Kremlin had been feeding Trump and his team valuable intelligence on his opponents, including Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, for several years.”
STATUS: Unsubstantiated. The Trump campaign has denied receiving help from the Kremlin during the campaign. But the date of this memo — June 20 — is significant because it followed 11 days after the Trump Tower meeting attended by Trump Jr., Kushner, Paul Manafort and a group of Russian lobbyists. Trump Jr. accepted the meeting after he was offered damaging information about Clinton, but he claims that no such information was provided.
One Trump aide, George Papadopoulos, met during the campaign with a professor named Joseph Mifsud who claimed to have learned that Russians had “dirt” on Clinton in the form of “thousands” of her emails. But Papadopoulos claims he was not offered the material and did not handle Clinton documents.
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 3: DATE ADDED: JUNE 20, 2016
CLAIM: “The Kremlin’s cultivation operation on Trump had also comprised offering him various lucrative real estate development deals in Russia.”
STATUS: Unsubstantiated. Trump and Cohen did negotiate to build a Trump Tower Moscow through at least June 2016, but it is not clear whether that was an attempt to cultivate either Trump or Cohen. Cohen pleaded guilty in the special counsel’s investigation on Nov. 29, 2018 to lying to Congress about the extent of his negotiations to build a Trump Tower in Russia. He spoke with an assistant to Kremlin official Peskov.
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 4: DATE ADDED: JUNE 20TH, 2016
CLAIM: Russians sought to “exploit Trump’s personal obsessions and sexual perversions to obtain suitable ‘kompromot’ [compromising material] on him.” Kremlin operatives filmed Trump in compromising positions in a Moscow hotel.
STATUS: Unsubstantiated. Glenn Simpson, founder of fusion GPS, doubts this claim, in part because the source of the claim, Bealursian businessman Sergei Millian, is unreliable.
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 5: DATE ADDED: JUNE 20, 2016
CLAIM: “The Clinton dossier was controlled exclusively by chief Kremlin spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, who was responsible for compiling/handling it on the explicit instructions of Putin himself.”
STATUS: Unsubstantiated. No evidence has been produced showing that Peskov personally handled the project. Some Russia observers have questioned why Putin’s chief spokesman would be in charge of the collusion operation.
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 6: DATE ADDED: JULY 19-30, 2016
CLAIM: “There was a well-developed conspiracy of co-operation between [the Trump campaign] and the Russian leadership.”
STATUS: Unsubstantiated. Trump and his campaign have adamantly denied the allegation. Numerous Trump associates had contacts with Russians, but so far none of those contacts involved attempts to influence the election.
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 7: DATE ADDED: JULY 19-30,2016
CLAIM: “This was managed on the Trump side by the Republican candidate’s campaign manager, Paul Manafort, who was using foreign policy advisor, Carter Page, and others as intermediaries.”
STATUS: Unsubstantiated. Both Manafort and Page say they do not know each other. Page, who served in a small volunteer role on the campaign, has also never met Trump. He has repeatedly denied the allegations against him in the Steele document, which he calls the “dodgy dossier.”
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 8: DATE ADDED: JULY 19-30
CLAIM: “The Russian regime had been behind the recent leak of embarrassing e-mail messages, emanating from the [Democratic National Committee], to the WikiLeaks platform.”
STATUS: CONFIRMED. The CIA, FBI, National Security Agency and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence all agree that Russian operatives hacked DNC emails and used WikiLeaks as a cutout to make them public.
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 9: DATE ADDED: JULY 19-30:
CLAIM: “The operation had been conducted with the full knowledge and support of Trump and senior members of the campaign team.”
STATUS: Unsubstantiated. Trump and his campaign have denied the allegation, and no evidence has been released that supports the collusion claim.
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 10: DATE ADDED: JULY 19-30
CLAIM: “Russian diplomatic staff in key cities like New York, Washington and Miami were using the emigre ‘pension’ distribution system as cover.”
STATUS: Unsubstantiated. While this dossier claim has not been proved, it has been reported that U.S. investigators are looking into whether a pension system that the Russian government uses to pay soldiers living abroad was used as cover to finance covert actions during the presidential campaign.
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Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:42 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 11: DATE ADDED: JULY 19-30, 2016
CLAIM: igor Sechin, a crony of Putin and the CEO of Russian oil giant Rosneft, met secretly with Page during a trip that the Trump campaign adviser made to Moscow in early July 2016. Sechin allegedly brought up the possibility of removing Ukraine-related sanctions against Russia, which Page allegedly “reacted positively” to. Page also met secretly with senior Kremlin official Igor Divyekin.
STATUS: Unsubstantiated. Page did visit Moscow during the time that the dossier claims. But the visit, where Page gave a speech at the New Economic School, had been revealed in the press by the time Steele made this allegation. Page has denied ever meeting Sechin and Divyekin.
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 12: DATE ADDED: JULY 19-30, 2016
CLAIM: “An intelligence exchange had been running between [the Trump team and Kremlin] for at least 8 years.”
STATUS: Unsubstantiated
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 13: DATE ADDED: JULY 19-30, 2016
CLAIM: “Putin’s priority requirement” in the information exchange with Trump world was to obtain information about Russian oligarchs and their families. Trump and his associates supplied the information.
STATUS: Unsubstantiated.
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 14: DATE ADDED: JULY 19-30, 2016
CLAIM:“The Kremlin had more intel on Clinton and her campaign.”
STATUS: CONFIRMED. At the time the memo was written, Russian operatives had already hacked into the email account of Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta. WikiLeaks would begin publishing those hacked emails in October 2016.
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 15: DATE ADDED: August 10, 2016
CLAIM: Page “conceived and promoted” the idea of releasing hacked DNC emails through WikiLeaks.
STATUS: Unsubstantiated. Page has denied allegations in the dossier. He has also not faced charges in the special counsel’s probe.
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 16: DATE ADDED: SEPT 14, 2016
CLAIM: “The Kremlin had further ‘kompromat’ on candidate Clinton and had been considering releasing this via ‘plausibly deniable’ channels after the Duma (legislative) elections were out of the way in mid-September.”
STATUS: CONFIRMED. WikiLeaks would begin releasing Podesta emails a month after Steele wrote this claim in the dossier.
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 17: DATE ADDED: SEP 14, 2016
CLAIM: Russian diplomat Mikhail Kalugin was withdrawn from Washington at short notice because of his “heavy involvement in the US presidential election operation.” Kalugin took part in the veterans’ pension “ruse” to help fund the active measures campaign.
STATUS: PARTIALLY TRUE. Kalugin was called back from Washington, D.C., at the time the dossier claims he was. But he denied to McClatchy that he was involved in paying any operatives to influence the election
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 18: DATE ADDED: SEP 14TH, 2016
CLAIM: Trump participated in sex parties in St. Petersburg, Russia, and paid bribes to make the stories “disappear.” Azerbaijani-Russian billionaire Aras Agalarov would know the details.
STATUS: Unsubstantiated. Trump does know Agalarov. They partnered on a deal to host the 2013 Miss Universe pageant in Russia. The Agalarov family was also involved in the June 9, 2016 Trump Tower meeting. It was set up at the request of Agalarov’s son, Emin Agalarov.
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 19: DATE ADDED: OCT 20, 2016
CLAIM: “Clandestine meeting between … Trump’s lawyer Michael Cohen and Kremlin representatives in August 2016.” The meeting took place in Prague.
STATUS: Likely false. Cohen vehemently denied the allegation as recently as Dec. 27, following a report from McClatchy that cellphone evidence shows that Cohen’s phone pinged off of a tower in Prague. Cohen’s denial has carried some weight because he has already cooperated extensively with the special counsel. Washington Post reporter Greg Miller also claimed in October 2018 that FBI and CIA official said that the Cohen-Prague claim was likely not true. Cohen has also been sentenced in the special counsel’s investigation, but was not charged with crimes related to campaign-related hacking.
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 20: DATE ADDED: OCT 20TH, 2016
CLAIM: A Kremlin-controlled cultural exchange group called Rossotrudnichestvo “was being used as cover for this relationship and its office in Prague may well have been used to host the Cohen meeting/s.”
STATUS: Unsubstantiated
CLAIM: igor Sechin, a crony of Putin and the CEO of Russian oil giant Rosneft, met secretly with Page during a trip that the Trump campaign adviser made to Moscow in early July 2016. Sechin allegedly brought up the possibility of removing Ukraine-related sanctions against Russia, which Page allegedly “reacted positively” to. Page also met secretly with senior Kremlin official Igor Divyekin.
STATUS: Unsubstantiated. Page did visit Moscow during the time that the dossier claims. But the visit, where Page gave a speech at the New Economic School, had been revealed in the press by the time Steele made this allegation. Page has denied ever meeting Sechin and Divyekin.
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 12: DATE ADDED: JULY 19-30, 2016
CLAIM: “An intelligence exchange had been running between [the Trump team and Kremlin] for at least 8 years.”
STATUS: Unsubstantiated
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 13: DATE ADDED: JULY 19-30, 2016
CLAIM: “Putin’s priority requirement” in the information exchange with Trump world was to obtain information about Russian oligarchs and their families. Trump and his associates supplied the information.
STATUS: Unsubstantiated.
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 14: DATE ADDED: JULY 19-30, 2016
CLAIM:“The Kremlin had more intel on Clinton and her campaign.”
STATUS: CONFIRMED. At the time the memo was written, Russian operatives had already hacked into the email account of Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta. WikiLeaks would begin publishing those hacked emails in October 2016.
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 15: DATE ADDED: August 10, 2016
CLAIM: Page “conceived and promoted” the idea of releasing hacked DNC emails through WikiLeaks.
STATUS: Unsubstantiated. Page has denied allegations in the dossier. He has also not faced charges in the special counsel’s probe.
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 16: DATE ADDED: SEPT 14, 2016
CLAIM: “The Kremlin had further ‘kompromat’ on candidate Clinton and had been considering releasing this via ‘plausibly deniable’ channels after the Duma (legislative) elections were out of the way in mid-September.”
STATUS: CONFIRMED. WikiLeaks would begin releasing Podesta emails a month after Steele wrote this claim in the dossier.
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 17: DATE ADDED: SEP 14, 2016
CLAIM: Russian diplomat Mikhail Kalugin was withdrawn from Washington at short notice because of his “heavy involvement in the US presidential election operation.” Kalugin took part in the veterans’ pension “ruse” to help fund the active measures campaign.
STATUS: PARTIALLY TRUE. Kalugin was called back from Washington, D.C., at the time the dossier claims he was. But he denied to McClatchy that he was involved in paying any operatives to influence the election
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 18: DATE ADDED: SEP 14TH, 2016
CLAIM: Trump participated in sex parties in St. Petersburg, Russia, and paid bribes to make the stories “disappear.” Azerbaijani-Russian billionaire Aras Agalarov would know the details.
STATUS: Unsubstantiated. Trump does know Agalarov. They partnered on a deal to host the 2013 Miss Universe pageant in Russia. The Agalarov family was also involved in the June 9, 2016 Trump Tower meeting. It was set up at the request of Agalarov’s son, Emin Agalarov.
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 19: DATE ADDED: OCT 20, 2016
CLAIM: “Clandestine meeting between … Trump’s lawyer Michael Cohen and Kremlin representatives in August 2016.” The meeting took place in Prague.
STATUS: Likely false. Cohen vehemently denied the allegation as recently as Dec. 27, following a report from McClatchy that cellphone evidence shows that Cohen’s phone pinged off of a tower in Prague. Cohen’s denial has carried some weight because he has already cooperated extensively with the special counsel. Washington Post reporter Greg Miller also claimed in October 2018 that FBI and CIA official said that the Cohen-Prague claim was likely not true. Cohen has also been sentenced in the special counsel’s investigation, but was not charged with crimes related to campaign-related hacking.
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 20: DATE ADDED: OCT 20TH, 2016
CLAIM: A Kremlin-controlled cultural exchange group called Rossotrudnichestvo “was being used as cover for this relationship and its office in Prague may well have been used to host the Cohen meeting/s.”
STATUS: Unsubstantiated
This post was edited on 1/9/19 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:42 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 21: DATE ADDED: OCT 20TH, 2016:
CLAIM: “Konstantin Kosachev (head of the Foreign Relations Committee) is an important figure in the Trump campaign-Kremlin liaison operation.”
STATUS: Unsubstantiated. Kosachev has denied involvement.
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 22: DATE ADDED: OCT 20TH, 2016
CLAIM: Rosneft CEO Sechin offered Page a 19 percent brokerage stake on a deal involving the Russian oil giant in return for getting sanctions lifted if Trump was elected president. Page expressed interest in the proposal.
STATUS: Unsubstantiated. Page has denied ever meeting Sechin or being offered a brokerage deal for Rosneft.
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 23: DATE ADDED: DEC 13, 2016
CLAIM: “A company called XBT/Webzilla and its affiliates had been using botnets and porn traffic to trasmit viruses, plant bugs, steal data and conduct ‘altering operations’ against the Democratic party leadership. Entities linked to one Aleksej Gubarev were involved and he and another expert, both recruited under duress by the FSB, Seva Kapsugovich, were significant players in this operation.”
STATUS: FALSE Gubarev sued BuzzFeed and Steele for publishing the dossier containing this allegation. BuzzFeed later apologized to Gubarev and redacted his name from the dossier, but a judge ruled in the website’s favor on Dec. 19. Kapsugovich appears to have been in prison when the dossier claims he was involved in the hacking scheme.
END OF DOSSIER ALLEGATIONS
CLAIM: “Konstantin Kosachev (head of the Foreign Relations Committee) is an important figure in the Trump campaign-Kremlin liaison operation.”
STATUS: Unsubstantiated. Kosachev has denied involvement.
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 22: DATE ADDED: OCT 20TH, 2016
CLAIM: Rosneft CEO Sechin offered Page a 19 percent brokerage stake on a deal involving the Russian oil giant in return for getting sanctions lifted if Trump was elected president. Page expressed interest in the proposal.
STATUS: Unsubstantiated. Page has denied ever meeting Sechin or being offered a brokerage deal for Rosneft.
DOSSIER ALLEGATION 23: DATE ADDED: DEC 13, 2016
CLAIM: “A company called XBT/Webzilla and its affiliates had been using botnets and porn traffic to trasmit viruses, plant bugs, steal data and conduct ‘altering operations’ against the Democratic party leadership. Entities linked to one Aleksej Gubarev were involved and he and another expert, both recruited under duress by the FSB, Seva Kapsugovich, were significant players in this operation.”
STATUS: FALSE Gubarev sued BuzzFeed and Steele for publishing the dossier containing this allegation. BuzzFeed later apologized to Gubarev and redacted his name from the dossier, but a judge ruled in the website’s favor on Dec. 19. Kapsugovich appears to have been in prison when the dossier claims he was involved in the hacking scheme.
END OF DOSSIER ALLEGATIONS
This post was edited on 1/9/19 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:44 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
RUSSIANS
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:46 pm to member12
RESERVED
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:46 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Nice work!
Although liberals don’t care about this. Remember Harry Reid said “We won didn’t we” when asked about his lies about mitt Romney. They’re scum.
Although liberals don’t care about this. Remember Harry Reid said “We won didn’t we” when asked about his lies about mitt Romney. They’re scum.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:55 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
CLAIM: “The Russian regime had been behind the recent leak of embarrassing e-mail messages, emanating from the [Democratic National Committee], to the WikiLeaks platform.”
STATUS: CONFIRMED. The CIA, FBI, National Security Agency and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence all agree that Russian operatives hacked DNC emails and used WikiLeaks as a cutout to make them public.
You are aware that none of these agencies were allowed to review the actual DNC server. Cambridge Analytica did the analysis, and Cambridge Analytica worked for HRCs people.
The only FACT is that the DNC hid their server from US IC agencies. What was the DNC hiding?
Also it is suspected that the data transfer rate proved that it was downloaded on a thumb drive. The US could not download data as fast as the data was alleged to have been downloaded which means Cambridge lied.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 11:01 pm to djmicrobe
SUMMARY:
OF THE 23 ALLEGATIONS:
1) 17 remain unsubstantiated after 2 years of investigation
2) 2 are false/likely false
3) 4 are true/partially true
OF THE 23 ALLEGATIONS:
1) 17 remain unsubstantiated after 2 years of investigation
2) 2 are false/likely false
3) 4 are true/partially true
This post was edited on 1/9/19 at 11:12 pm
Posted on 1/9/19 at 11:31 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Yeah but now that you lay those out, mueller might announce that he has found credible evidence substantiating most. Who knows what they are finding.
But then everybody on here will howl because the dossier was “bought and paid for by the Democrats” and Steele used to be a spy.
But then everybody on here will howl because the dossier was “bought and paid for by the Democrats” and Steele used to be a spy.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 11:31 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
So basically everything trump related is horse shite
Posted on 1/10/19 at 4:29 am to djmicrobe
furthermore Wikileaks denies that the leaked e-mails came from the Russian government
Posted on 1/10/19 at 5:48 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Let me help you a little Hail
It's
All
bullshite
quote:
2 years later: A COMPLETE cliffnotes summary of each Dossier allegation, and its status
It's
All
bullshite
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