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14th amendment and women/trans in combat roles

Posted on 8/27/17 at 1:30 am
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 8/27/17 at 1:30 am
Regardless of what we think of woman/trangenders as combat units, doesn't the equal protection clause guarantee women/trannies the right to be on the frontlines if they pass all the necessary tests and trials?
This post was edited on 8/27/17 at 1:43 am
Posted by John McClane
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 8/27/17 at 1:40 am to
Does it require them to be draft eligible?
Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 8/27/17 at 1:40 am to
The military is not a democracy.

The military is not meant to be an equal opportunity employer. It exists to safeguard the lives and interests of the American people.

Putting someone who is not physically qualified into combat can jeopardize that person and that person's unit.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 8/27/17 at 3:45 am to
quote:

Regardless of what we think of woman/trangenders as combat units, doesn't the equal protection clause guarantee women/trannies the right to be on the frontlines if they pass all the necessary tests and trials?
No. this is a stupid fricking wuestion
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 8/27/17 at 6:18 am to
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The military is not meant to be an equal opportunity employer.


The key term in your statement is "equal opportunity." Every American should have the opportunity to serve. Whether he or she can meet the demands of that service is an entirely different issue. To dismiss half of the population because of gender is foolish.

Not every man can meet the demands of military life. More men than women can, however. But many women can and should be given the opportunity to serve, even on the front lines.
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
19837 posts
Posted on 8/27/17 at 6:24 am to
Noone has the right to serve, ppl are turned away daily for many reasons.

I had a buddy who tried to go in with me got turned away for tubes in his ears. Bottomline these ppl are using the Military to transition on our dime and its not right. Plus they are non deployable while going through their process, and in that case alone should be turned away.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 8/27/17 at 6:38 am to
No
Posted by BamaFan365
Member since Sep 2011
2347 posts
Posted on 8/27/17 at 6:42 am to
quote:

The key term in your statement is "equal opportunity." Every American should have the opportunity to serve. Whether he or she can meet the demands of that service is an entirely different issue


How do you feel about different pt standards for male and female soldiers?
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42474 posts
Posted on 8/27/17 at 6:48 am to
quote:

Regardless of what we think of woman/trangenders as combat units, doesn't the equal protection clause guarantee women/trannies the right to be on the frontlines if they pass all the necessary tests and trials?


There should be only one criteria = "does this person help or hinder our ability to close with and capture or kill the enemy?" including things like unit cohesiveness, training, and expense of housing, medical treatment, etc..

Why should the military spend $.01 on something that does not directly lead to better combat effectiveness?
Posted by Mulat
Avalon Bch, FL
Member since Sep 2010
17517 posts
Posted on 8/27/17 at 7:23 am to
quote:

women/trans


Take a Hike AWAY from the Military
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
19837 posts
Posted on 8/27/17 at 8:32 am to
quote:

Why should the military spend $.01 on something that does not directly lead to better combat effectiveness?



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Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 8/27/17 at 9:03 am to
quote:

the equal protection clause


The worst thing ever put into the Constitution. The most vague, ambiguous, nonsensical bullshite of all time. I curse the 14th Amendment.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 8/27/17 at 9:07 am to
The Constitution won't survive if the military can't protect it from an enemy who wants to destroy it.
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 8/27/17 at 9:09 am to
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The worst thing ever put into the Constitution.


17th amendment.

Without it, big government, nanny state bullshite like our modern day massive welfare state and overgrown police state overreach would have never become reality.

State governments have zero hard power over DC right now thanks to the 17th and we've been worse off since.
Posted by novabill
Crossville, TN
Member since Sep 2005
10430 posts
Posted on 8/27/17 at 11:20 am to
I don't think military service is a right.
It is not about you at all, it is about protecting our nation.

Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 8/27/17 at 11:33 am to
quote:

To dismiss half of the population because of gender is foolish.
Why?

quote:

Not every man can meet the demands of military life. More men than women can, however. But many women can and should be given the opportunity to serve, even on the front lines.
Why?
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
16528 posts
Posted on 8/27/17 at 11:41 am to
quote:

doesn't the equal protection clause guarantee women/trannies the right to be on the frontlines if they pass all the necessary tests and trials?


There's no right to be in the military period so this navel-gazing OP is rather worthless.
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 8/27/17 at 2:43 pm to
quote:

How do you feel about different pt standards for male and female soldiers?


Absolutely not! These standards define soldier and shouldn't be changed.

Not all men can meet these standards but that doesn't mean that no woman can. In the continuum between men and women there's a midpoint. On one side of the point are most men and on the other are most women. There are some men and some women on the other sides, however.

Everyone should have the opportunity to try to meet the standards. There's no such thing as equality of the sexes but there is an overlap of their abilities.
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 8/27/17 at 2:45 pm to
quote:

I don't think military service is a right.


Of course not, but the opportunity to try is.
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 8/27/17 at 2:48 pm to
quote:

To dismiss half of the population because of gender is foolish. Why?


Because you're discounting potential military talent because of sex organs.

quote:

Not every man can meet the demands of military life. More men than women can, however. But many women can and should be given the opportunity to serve, even on the front lines. Why?


See above.
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