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100 year plan
Posted on 7/19/19 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 7/19/19 at 7:51 pm
Politics aside (kinda) I was wanting to start a debate about economics and scarcity. The Earth is warming I don't care what your opinions are of what's causing it. However the way things are moving it seems as if it might benefit the US from a crop production standpoint. If you look at the data there is Higher CO2 and steady temps in the US vs the rest of the world getting much warmer. Seems we are benefitting somewhat. Look at crop production yields. How do you guys feel about importing oil and other finite resources. We are the wealthiest nation in the world. I think we should import alot more fissile fuel and rare Earth resources we can and hoard them somewhat and down the road we have a huge upper hand. Not necessarily do it openly but more of from a military/national security strategy and keep it on the DL. Slowly amass a surplus storage for our great great grand kids. Thoughts? Or should we not worry cause supervolcano Yellowstone will erupt and destroy everything. Also how many of you doomsday folks have a seedstock.
Posted on 7/19/19 at 7:53 pm to yatesdog38
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In a 100 years all white male democrats will look like that^^^
In a 100 years all white male democrats will look like that^^^
Posted on 7/19/19 at 7:55 pm to yatesdog38
The high next Tuesday where I am in the Deep South is 79 and the low is 63 so you may want to recalculate brah.
Posted on 7/19/19 at 8:00 pm to yatesdog38
Planning too far ahead is wasteful.
One cannot know what will be valuable or rare with a century of technological advancements.
I remember buying compact fluorescents with replaceable tubes in the 80s. Figured I’d pay a little more upfront than the disposables and save later. By the time the tubes died the technology hade moved on and the disposables were cheaper than the plain replacement tubes that were no longer available anymore anyway.
Member all the money we pumped into the ground in the strategic oil reserves. Spent serious money with opec and now we’re an oil exporter again!
Also warmer is better for life!
One cannot know what will be valuable or rare with a century of technological advancements.
I remember buying compact fluorescents with replaceable tubes in the 80s. Figured I’d pay a little more upfront than the disposables and save later. By the time the tubes died the technology hade moved on and the disposables were cheaper than the plain replacement tubes that were no longer available anymore anyway.
Member all the money we pumped into the ground in the strategic oil reserves. Spent serious money with opec and now we’re an oil exporter again!
Also warmer is better for life!
This post was edited on 7/19/19 at 8:04 pm
Posted on 7/19/19 at 8:05 pm to yatesdog38
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I think we should import alot more fissile fuel and rare Earth resources we can and hoard them somewhat and down the road we have a huge upper hand.
Nope. Exploit the shite out of what we’ve got now. Sell it all off, invest in technology and infrastructure, and worry about tomorrow tomorrow.
In all likelihood, in 50-100 years fossil fuels will be mostly replaced by more advanced technologies - fusion power being a big one. So hoarding our resources now “for later use” is a bad plan. We could end up with a couple of trillion barrels of useless slop. And once we have nearly limitless power, artificially producing the rare earth metals we need will be much more profitable than mining it in Africa.
Posted on 7/19/19 at 8:08 pm to yatesdog38
Putting AGW aside, a warming globe could be a benefit to many. Canada and Russia are primarily wilderness that could be populated if they had better climates and can offer a wealth of resources. CO2 concentrations in the 300s are not far above starvation levels for many plants. Recommendations for hothouses are generally in the 800-1500 but even an increase to 550 has shown an increase in corn yields of 40-120%.
So an increase in CO2 and warmth would not only increase crop yields but increase farmable lands.
So an increase in CO2 and warmth would not only increase crop yields but increase farmable lands.
Posted on 7/19/19 at 8:12 pm to yatesdog38
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steady temps in the US vs the rest of the world getting much warmer.
Isn’t it interesting that the US has steady temps and the other countries are asking us for money to help with their warming?
Posted on 7/19/19 at 8:14 pm to SlapahoeTribe
I think we should have the infrastructure in place. I'm not talking about just storing trillions of barrels in a factory I'm talking about keeping them in the ground. And for the person that mentioned weather Jesus did you not read my post. The global warming data is global. If trends continue the rest of the world is fricked trying to grow crops but not the US. Colorado and east is staying for the most part the same temps or cooling. The rest of the world is turning into an arizona desert or louisiana swamp. There are a lot of infrastructure issues and I do think there should at least be some panel discussions about long term energy viability and some other shite like on Die Hard where terrorists try to frick with the power grid. I think there is some significant investments that need to be made. America first. I also think there is some real value right now in long term farmland investments. Seriously go take a look at America's crop yields the last 20 years. They are increasing. I believe it is because of CO2 which is what plants love and need to turn into energy. It is a requirement for photosynthesis.
Posted on 7/19/19 at 8:17 pm to yatesdog38
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Politics aside (kinda) I was wanting to start a debate about economics and scarcity. The Earth is warming I don't care what your opinions are of what's causing it. However the way things are moving it seems as if it might benefit the US from a crop production standpoint. If you look at the data there is Higher CO2 and steady temps in the US vs the rest of the world getting much warmer. Seems we are benefitting somewhat. Look at crop production yields. How do you guys feel about importing oil and other finite resources. We are the wealthiest nation in the world. I think we should import alot more fissile fuel and rare Earth resources we can and hoard them somewhat and down the road we have a huge upper hand. Not necessarily do it openly but more of from a military/national security strategy and keep it on the DL. Slowly amass a surplus storage for our great great grand kids. Thoughts? Or should we not worry cause supervolcano Yellowstone will erupt and destroy everything. Also how many of you doomsday folks have a seedstock.
I actually do not disagree with the general gist of your post.
We should be using our economic windfall to stockpile rare earth metals, absolutely.
Things are warming up .... that's just life. Yes, our growing season now is much longer. We get four crop rotations a year now here in SC including a massive winter greens and peas crop along with broccoli and cauliflower.
The Yellowstone caldera is going to pop one day but who knows when and I'm not too worried about it. They're stupid if they think they can pop the thing and relieve pressure.
Italy, France, Spain, are all much warmer and they too are profiting from longer growing seasons and tourist seasons. Check their longitudes with ours.
Russia is really benefiting. Anyone expect them to complain?
Yeah, I keep a few hundred pounds of heirloom seeds stored away. Are you patronizing those of us that do?
I have more ammo than I do seeds.
This post was edited on 7/19/19 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 7/19/19 at 8:39 pm to yatesdog38
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The global warming data is manipulated globally.
FIFY
Posted on 7/19/19 at 8:43 pm to yatesdog38
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The Earth is warming
This post was edited on 7/19/19 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 7/19/19 at 8:44 pm to yatesdog38
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Thoughts?
In 100 years the USA won't be able to do much beyond obeying whatever the Global Government says. At that point in US history, there will already be debates WRT whether to re-name the country.
Posted on 7/19/19 at 8:51 pm to scrooster
Hell no. I have quite a bit of seed stored. Not much ammo tho. Prolly only 200 rounds of shotgun shells. 100 rounds of 22. And maybe 50 of .270. my fishing equipment tho that is enormous. Just think there is so much arable land and the population is growing. The whole dynamic of food stock, urban farming, arable land, conservation, infrastructure and energy seems to be the last thing people think about. I feel like it is a topic that isn't addressed much by either party but is way more important than say healthcare. Farmers markets seem to be making a little comeback versus 15 years ago. Maybe I'm wrong tho. It just fascinates me.
Posted on 7/19/19 at 8:55 pm to Honkus
Us crops yields are thriving as a whole. It feels like the rest of the world not so much. I think it is of vital importance to make it a discussion of national security somewhat. I'm not calling for government intervention or anything I just think it is important to the economic health of our nation. Many are worried about nuclear threats or bioligical threats to humans. But some terrorists fricking up a water supply or finding a way to destroy farmland should be something to think about.
Posted on 7/19/19 at 8:58 pm to yatesdog38
Every one should have minimum In your safe:
10k cash
500 rounds 9mm 22 and 12 ea
6 months MRE
As much AU as your comfortable with
10k cash
500 rounds 9mm 22 and 12 ea
6 months MRE
As much AU as your comfortable with
Posted on 7/19/19 at 9:44 pm to yatesdog38
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Hell no. I have quite a bit of seed stored. Not much ammo tho. Prolly only 200 rounds of shotgun shells. 100 rounds of 22. And maybe 50 of .270. my fishing equipment tho that is enormous. Just think there is so much arable land and the population is growing. The whole dynamic of food stock, urban farming, arable land, conservation, infrastructure and energy seems to be the last thing people think about. I feel like it is a topic that isn't addressed much by either party but is way more important than say healthcare. Farmers markets seem to be making a little comeback versus 15 years ago. Maybe I'm wrong tho. It just fascinates me.
Well if Yellowstone pops we're all pretty much fricked unless we're able to go underground and somehow produce enough power to last through a couple of years of winter.
It takes approximately two tons of rice, beans, pastas, etc., etc., etc., per ten people per year to meet minimum caloric requirements plus the means to boil water and cook and clean not counting necessary sanitary items, medicines, etc. That's minimum. Twice that would be better. Lots and lots of clean water.
If Yellowstone pops other countries will invade eventually .... China will definitely take the west coast and move inwards for the resources.
Other possible calamities might be social collapse or an asteroid strike.
Sean Carroll says the most likely scenario is a solar flare .... which would negatively affect the entire globe but it would hit the industrialized countries the worse.
Small niche farming is making a comeback. That's a good thing.
Fresh water will be the biggie in the near future. It would behoove us to develop low impact low energy consumption desalination facilities in this country .... and soon.
Solar power is a good thing. Inverters and charge controllers have come a long way in the past decade. Systems need to be hardened.
Low cost high density energy storage cells are the holy grail. Lithpho batteries hold promise but they rely on some of those rare earth metals and they are expenaive.
You need more ammo.
This post was edited on 7/19/19 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 7/19/19 at 9:46 pm to KingOrange
Why will anyone care. The earth will have been dead for 88 years. Except for the cockroaches...
Posted on 7/19/19 at 9:51 pm to yatesdog38
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I have quite a bit of seed stored. Not much ammo tho. Prolly only 200 rounds of shotgun shells. 100 rounds of 22. And maybe 50 of .270. my fishing equipment tho that is enormous. Just think there is so much arable land and the population is growing. The whole dynamic of food stock, urban farming, arable land, conservation, infrastructure and energy seems to be the last thing people think about. I feel like it is a topic that isn't addressed much by either party but is way more important than say healthcare. Farmers markets seem to be making a little comeback versus 15 years ago.
Kinda paranoid?
Just reminding everyone that there is nothing wrong with the environment.
Posted on 7/19/19 at 9:53 pm to KingOrange
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500 rounds 9mm 22 and 12 ea
I carry more than that in my car, baw. (Well, not 12 gauge, that's kind of silly)
My target is about 20k for the primaries (5.56mm NATO), 5k to 10k for the sidearms and 50k .22LR (survival and backup defense).
500?
This post was edited on 7/19/19 at 9:54 pm
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