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Weird outboard problem
Posted on 9/6/19 at 11:33 pm
Posted on 9/6/19 at 11:33 pm
Long story short, my 55hr Etec ran fine for a few hours straight, knocked quietly for 15 minutes after idling for 30 minutes, ran fine again for 10 minutes, and then just died. No alarms or indication anything was wrong. No engine problems on gauges, and I was watching them. Haven't been able to start it since. It basically seems like the kill switch lanyard isn't plugged in. I may have pulled it sort of off while riding in the boat, but since I've reset it, it hasn't run.
I changed fuel filters (no water or contamination in fuel), plugs (gapped and indexed), checked everything over, and it all seemed like it should be running. Sounds like it should be running too....but it isn't.
Brought it to the shop. Shop calls and tells me oil was contaminated somehow, and ONLY one cylinder got the oil/water mixture in it, and that cylinder has low compression (I didn't check it before towing it to the shop). I can see the oil container in the boat, and hadn't put any in from the time it was running until the time it stopped. There wasn't any visible water in it. Checked the oil at my house, and it doesn't have water in it. Oil container has no way of water from the bilge getting in it, because it is too high.
Basically have no idea how water would've gotten in the oil, and can't fathom how it would've just affected only one cylinder. Now the shop wants to send it off to get machined and rebuild the thing before figuring out why it won't run. Something doesn't sound right to me. I am planning on going over there hopefully Monday afternoon to do some investigating, but should I consider bringing it to a second shop?
I changed fuel filters (no water or contamination in fuel), plugs (gapped and indexed), checked everything over, and it all seemed like it should be running. Sounds like it should be running too....but it isn't.
Brought it to the shop. Shop calls and tells me oil was contaminated somehow, and ONLY one cylinder got the oil/water mixture in it, and that cylinder has low compression (I didn't check it before towing it to the shop). I can see the oil container in the boat, and hadn't put any in from the time it was running until the time it stopped. There wasn't any visible water in it. Checked the oil at my house, and it doesn't have water in it. Oil container has no way of water from the bilge getting in it, because it is too high.
Basically have no idea how water would've gotten in the oil, and can't fathom how it would've just affected only one cylinder. Now the shop wants to send it off to get machined and rebuild the thing before figuring out why it won't run. Something doesn't sound right to me. I am planning on going over there hopefully Monday afternoon to do some investigating, but should I consider bringing it to a second shop?
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Posted on 9/6/19 at 11:57 pm to Hammertime
I'm assuming they checked the EMM? How is the injector on the down cylinder? Is it working properly?
Posted on 9/7/19 at 12:01 am to Hammertime
Good luck. Is the spark plug even grtting spark. Always check that.
Verify compression yourself.
Bad oil in one cylinder sounds like BS, but I am not a mechanic.
Maybe oil is mixed seperately for each cylinder?
people are going to ask the year and make of the motor.
Verify compression yourself.
Bad oil in one cylinder sounds like BS, but I am not a mechanic.
Maybe oil is mixed seperately for each cylinder?
people are going to ask the year and make of the motor.
Posted on 9/7/19 at 12:43 am to NewIberiaHaircut
quote:Got the call while I was at a job site today, so I didn't have too much time to inquire
NewIberiaHaircut
quote:2012 Etec 115ho
people are going to ask the year and make of the motor
Every cylinder was firing when I changed the plugs
This post was edited on 9/7/19 at 12:44 am
Posted on 9/7/19 at 5:20 am to Hammertime
Did they say which cylinder?
Posted on 9/7/19 at 6:20 am to Hammertime
What is more likely is that the pisser didnt have the correct orifice in it and the emm cooked itself to death.
That's very easy to diagnose though. Read up on the etech owners group message board. There ain't an etech problem out there they havent seen yet.
That's very easy to diagnose though. Read up on the etech owners group message board. There ain't an etech problem out there they havent seen yet.
Posted on 9/7/19 at 6:59 am to Hammertime
quote:
No alarms or indication anything was wrong. No engine problems on gauges
I changed fuel filters (no water or contamination in fuel), plugs (gapped and indexed),
Shop calls and tells me oil was contaminated somehow, and ONLY one cylinder got the oil/water mixture in it, and that cylinder has low compression
Checked the oil at my house, and it doesn't have water in it. Oil container has no way of water from the bilge getting in it, because it is too high.
Now the shop wants to send it off to get machined and rebuild the thing before figuring out why it won't run. Something doesn't sound right to me. I am planning on going over there hopefully Monday afternoon to do some investigating, but should I consider bringing it to a second shop?
Downshift is the engine expert. But I'm like you - no alarms is odd.
Water in only one cylinder -- leaking gasket or cracked head ?
What shop has the engine ?
I had a few cylinders bored/oversize pistons installed over the years. Never had any luck with longevity. Maybe technology has improved a lot since "the old days."
If you don't trust the shop, I'd definitely get a second opinion. As you know, engines ain't cheap.
Posted on 9/7/19 at 7:16 am to dawg23
i'd get a second opinion, from what you have posted it doesn't add up.
just like anything else, there are good shops and bad shops.
just like anything else, there are good shops and bad shops.
This post was edited on 9/7/19 at 7:17 am
Posted on 9/7/19 at 7:25 am to Hammertime
quote:
Basically have no idea how water would've gotten in the oil, and can't fathom how it would've just affected only one cylinder.
It happens all the time. Moisture can build up in the tank. Every 2 stroke motor I blew up had only one cylinder wiped out.
Also a out of adjusted Carb will burn a cylinder by starving it for fuel and oil.
Posted on 9/7/19 at 9:20 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Highest engine temp that I saw that day was maybe 182, but it was at 155-170ish most of the time. I was watching the gauges like a hawk since it was the first time I ran it
quote:That's what I thought too, but it only has 55 easy hours on it, and engine temps were fine
leaking gasket or cracked head ?
quote:From what I was told, this only affected one out of the four cylinders
Moisture can build up in the tank
quote:A computer is running the show on this thing
Also a out of adjusted Carb will burn a cylinder by starving it for fuel and oil
This post was edited on 9/7/19 at 9:22 am
Posted on 9/7/19 at 9:43 am to Hammertime
quote:
Shop calls and tells me oil was contaminated somehow, and ONLY one cylinder got the oil/water mixture in it, and that cylinder has low compression
Not familiar with that particular engine but does it use o-rings to seal to the head or a regular gasket?
Posted on 9/7/19 at 10:23 am to highcotton2
When he said it needed a rebuild, he said it had gaskets
Posted on 9/7/19 at 11:10 am to Hammertime
At only 55 hours it's possible it wasnt primed correctly or had moisture in one of the lines and wasnt primed out. Certainly a possibility. Did you bring it to hammond? I cant speak for any other shops but the evinrude dealer in hammond knows their shite.
Posted on 9/7/19 at 12:00 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Shop closer to me, but I'm not gonna name them until I get to check things out in person. I am hoping to get done with a job early on Monday, and head over there to try and figure out how the hell:
1) water got in the oil
2) it only went in one cylinder
3) if it actually needs a rebuild
4) the compression test numbers
1) water got in the oil
2) it only went in one cylinder
3) if it actually needs a rebuild
4) the compression test numbers
Posted on 9/7/19 at 12:02 pm to Hammertime
Friends dad went thru powerhead after powerhead on Etec to finally find out the factory was setting the ecu for synthetic oil or some crap but he burned up four or five just like yours
Posted on 9/7/19 at 12:11 pm to Hammertime
Yea that's cool, just make sure it's someone reputable with etechs. They are not complex engines but they do have nuances different from any other 2 stroke. An optimax guy is liable to have a hard time with one.
Posted on 9/7/19 at 12:29 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
yes
bring it to the etec shop in Hammond for a second opinion
bring it to the etec shop in Hammond for a second opinion
Posted on 9/7/19 at 4:21 pm to LSU Neil
quote:
Friends dad went thru powerhead after powerhead on Etec to finally find out the factory was setting the ecu for synthetic oil or some crap but he burned up four or five just like yours
And that would be my concern. Fixing the failure may not be addressing the cause of the failure. So it could easily repeat over and over again.
Posted on 9/7/19 at 6:51 pm to omegaman66
Something like that is inexcusable. Theres a tag on the oil tank stating the engine is programmed for xd100 synthetic, and it's a readily checked parameter on the computer for a dealer. That's hardly the fault of the engine, that's an incompetent service department issue.
These days you need to have a person with the appropriate software and appropriate reputation to work on engines. They all have ECMs and sensors everywhere.
These days you need to have a person with the appropriate software and appropriate reputation to work on engines. They all have ECMs and sensors everywhere.
Posted on 9/7/19 at 6:56 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
My oil tank is in a compartment at the port side stern. No notation was on it, but the guy I bought it from gave me a 3gal container full of evinrude oil in a clear jug w/o a label. Same oil he'd been using before he sold me the boat
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