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Want a framing nailer. Corded v. Cordless
Posted on 11/8/17 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 11/8/17 at 1:32 pm
Going to be building a shed. Decided I'd like to retire my 25oz California framing hammer an get framing nailer instead to do the brunt of the work. I have a 150psi pancake compressor and in my experience using a framing nailer with it and throwing down nails on sheets it doesn't keep up. Throw down 5=7 nails. Wait 20 seconds. 5-7 more. Another waiting period. So I'm either goign to get a new compressor + nailer or get a cordless nailer instead. I would use the compressor a lot more than a cordless nailer. But, on the other hand I've always wanted a Paslod cordless nailer.
I'e used a Paslod in the past when I used to work in construction. Got to buy fuel carts but I know it works damned well. $350 + Tax on Amazon.
Hitachi sells a gas powered nailer. Save about $90 over the Paslod.
Browsing around the big box stores and I see two all electric nailers. One by Dewalt and one by Hitachi. I'm not sure how well an all electric will work. $399 for the Dewalt and $429 for the Hitachi. I have Dewalt batteries so that's a plus in the favor of the Dewalt plus it's cheaper.
For the same $400 I could get a bigger compressor and nailer. I could go cheap with a nailer with a $88 Huskey framing nailer I saw in the early Black Friday section at Home Depot. That could leave me $300 for a larger compressor.
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You tool experts give me some thoughts or ideas on what I should get. I'm torn between all the options.
I'e used a Paslod in the past when I used to work in construction. Got to buy fuel carts but I know it works damned well. $350 + Tax on Amazon.
Hitachi sells a gas powered nailer. Save about $90 over the Paslod.
Browsing around the big box stores and I see two all electric nailers. One by Dewalt and one by Hitachi. I'm not sure how well an all electric will work. $399 for the Dewalt and $429 for the Hitachi. I have Dewalt batteries so that's a plus in the favor of the Dewalt plus it's cheaper.
For the same $400 I could get a bigger compressor and nailer. I could go cheap with a nailer with a $88 Huskey framing nailer I saw in the early Black Friday section at Home Depot. That could leave me $300 for a larger compressor.
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You tool experts give me some thoughts or ideas on what I should get. I'm torn between all the options.
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 1:37 pm to DeoreDX
I wouldn't buy spend $400 on this for your 8x8 shed...
How often do you use it? If you don't use it often I'd personally stick with what you have.
Have you looked used? This time of year with the holidays coming up and work slowing down, you can often times find that stuff for cheap.
How often do you use it? If you don't use it often I'd personally stick with what you have.
Have you looked used? This time of year with the holidays coming up and work slowing down, you can often times find that stuff for cheap.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 1:58 pm to DeoreDX
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I have a 150psi pancake compressor and in my experience using a framing nailer with it and throwing down nails on sheets it doesn't keep up.
Yeah - some of the better ones in that class can handle a little bit of finish or brad work, but not framing. And PSI doesn't mean shite, baw.
You want an oiled compressor that can crank out ~4 (or better) CFM at 90 psi.
They can get expensive, but one thing Harbor Freight has a good value on are these entry level (and even higher) compressors. I had the 2 horse, 8 gallon tank (125psi) from them and it would run impact tools fairly well.
Their 21-gal, 2 1/2 horse are ridiculous values at $169 - this is a link to one of them, but they have 3 nearly identical models on the website.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 2:02 pm to DeoreDX
I have a Paslode cordless finish nailer. It works great but those fuel cells aren't cheap. I use it if I'm working on a wood project and just need a few nails. I use my brad nailer and pancake when I need more extensive nailing. You can't go wrong purchasing a bigger compressor. You'll use it.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 2:03 pm to Ace Midnight
+1 on Harbor Freight. I'm sure you can get plenty enough for what you want out of that 8-gal compressor for like $125. Maybe even get the 21 for not a whole lot more.
If you've got the money to blow, by all means, buy the cordless nailer, but to me unless you are a full time construction guy, you prob won't use it all that much.
A decent size compressor is much more versatile.
If you've got the money to blow, by all means, buy the cordless nailer, but to me unless you are a full time construction guy, you prob won't use it all that much.
A decent size compressor is much more versatile.
This post was edited on 11/8/17 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 11/8/17 at 2:13 pm to DeoreDX
I don't know anything about the all electric guns but I'd be surprised of they could drive a 3 1/4" nail.
Gas cordless are nice but I'd have to use it quite a bit to justify one. They obviously have a battery themselves and of course batteries have to be replaced over time whether they get used or not.
Honestly I'd buy a air-gun and then see if my compressor could manage it. If not, then splurge for a new compressor. Most compressors can keep up with a non-professional just framing walls. It's just like you say when nailing off sheathing they have a hard time keeping up.
Gas cordless are nice but I'd have to use it quite a bit to justify one. They obviously have a battery themselves and of course batteries have to be replaced over time whether they get used or not.
Honestly I'd buy a air-gun and then see if my compressor could manage it. If not, then splurge for a new compressor. Most compressors can keep up with a non-professional just framing walls. It's just like you say when nailing off sheathing they have a hard time keeping up.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 2:13 pm to DeoreDX
What others have said, get the compressor. I got a small pancake compressor with a small finish nailer for Christmas last year. I wish they had just sprung for the larger compressor for the same price as both and I could have bought what I needed for a nailgun. The compressor gets used a good bit, but for airing up tires and stuff like that I wish I had a larger one. I'm not doing any construction work that requires a framing nailer, but I do have a few projects coming up. I'll probably just get a larger compressor and keep the small one for little projects.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 2:37 pm to Jj283
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+1 on Harbor Freight. I'm sure you can get plenty enough for what you want out of that 8-gal compressor for like $125. Maybe even get the 21 for not a whole lot more.
Yeah - my main concern on the 21-gal would be portability - would I want to haul it everywhere I needed it. You can haul the 2hp, 8-gal on a bicycle if you had to.
Otherwise, one of the best values in all of tooldom is that 2.5hp, 21-gallon for $169.
If wasn't moving in a year or so, I'd buy one this month. I need a new compressor - I keep giving my old ones away.
This post was edited on 11/8/17 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 11/8/17 at 2:46 pm to Ace Midnight
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And PSI doesn't mean shite, baw.
PV=nRT says otherwise. All other things being equal more PSI mean more moles of air in the tank So you got two 15 gallon compressors that deliver 4.7scfm@90psi but one tops out at 175psi and the other at 150psi the 175psi one holds 17% more air.
I'll be rebuilding about 150ft of seawall and board walk when they drop the lake down in 2018 for dock maintenance so whatever I buy will get quite a bit of use again then.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 2:55 pm to DeoreDX
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So you got two 15 gallon compressors that deliver 4.7scfm@90psi but one tops out at 175psi and the other at 150psi the 175psi one holds 17% more air.
Technically true, but a bigger tank is cheaper than more PSI. As it is, they pump up those pancakes PSI because they're 3 to 6 gallon at most - hotdogs, too.
I mean, I would take that oiled 125psi, with the 8 gallon tank over the Porter Cable clones at 150psi - even at twice the price. They're quieter, more efficient and they're going to do more with 2hp than those loud AF 1/3 and 1/2 horse jobbies.
Ultimately you're right about "all things being equal" but in the market we have, you're better off paying for more volume, more horsepower and more CFM @90 than you are to pay for your hypothetical 175psi versus 150 or even 125.
Fair enough?
This post was edited on 11/8/17 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 11/8/17 at 3:20 pm to Ace Midnight
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I mean, I would take that oiled 125psi, with the 8 gallon tank over the Porter Cable clones at 150psi
I actually have that 125/8gal HF compressor at the lake house. That's my lake house compressor and I don't want to ferry a compressor back and forth when i can tell the wife I need to buy a new compressor to build her shed
I own a Ryobi airstrike brad nailer. Easily one of the best tools I've ever bought. I'm just not sure how well the technology scales up to 3 1/4" nails. The Hitachi brushless looks great from videos I've watched.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 3:48 pm to DeoreDX
i would just get a nice compressor and a harbor freight level air nailer.
ETA- i just bought a kobalt 8gal at Lowes for $90 (after 10% off coupon). Its done a fine job so far. For the price, i'm damn happy. Tank fills very quickly
ETA- i just bought a kobalt 8gal at Lowes for $90 (after 10% off coupon). Its done a fine job so far. For the price, i'm damn happy. Tank fills very quickly
This post was edited on 11/8/17 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 11/8/17 at 4:03 pm to DeoreDX
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The Hitachi brushless looks great from videos I've watched.
It does. I'm still a sucker for either HF or I-R. As much as I like Dewalt, I am not crazy about their compressors. I would pair a Dewalt nail gun (especially the framers, those are monsters) with a big HF or I-R compressor.
My 1/2" impact is I-R and it's a beast.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 5:44 pm to LSUfreak1459
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I have a Paslode cordless finish nailer. It works great but those fuel cells aren't cheap
I have the Paslode framing nailer and you're right, fuel cells cost. To me it was worth it because I was building off the grid. If you have the electricity, corded nailer/compressor is best.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 5:59 pm to DeoreDX
I just bought a Makita jobsite air compressor, MAC5200 model, mostly to have the capacity to use my HVLP gun over my little 6gal PC compressor. It's a nice machine though, timed it to go from empty to full PSI in under 90 seconds. Recovery cycle less than 20 seconds. I have a Paslode 16ga finish nailer that I'll always grab for smaller jobs but if I'm trimming out a room or more then the PC compressor gets the nod. I'd spend the money on a more capable compressor, the one I have is rated 6.5 scfm which is excellent for its size.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 6:19 pm to Clames
Even though the Paslide uses fuel cells, it is considerably smaller and lighter than the framing nailers that run on battery only. And the fuel cell should last for several hundred nails. Also I’m not sure if it will shoot as large a nail as the guns that run off of an air hose.
I do a lot of punch out work and for that a Paslode can’t be beat. It is not a production tool.
I do a lot of punch out work and for that a Paslode can’t be beat. It is not a production tool.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 8:18 pm to DeoreDX
Get the paslod and thank me later. Not having to mess with a hose while trying to nail you roof header will be worth it.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 9:34 pm to DeoreDX
For a 1 off project check the pawn shops. You can also rent a larger compressor for a day or 2.
I like the Paslod both Air and cordless.
Another option is to screw everything.
I like the Paslod both Air and cordless.
Another option is to screw everything.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 10:21 pm to Capital Cajun
I've got a 6 gallon oilless pancake compressor and I've been finishing my basement with it.
My dad's old Stanley Bostitch framing gun finally bit the dust, need to rebuild the seals on it. I ordered the numax from Amazon for $70 to finish up the basement. It's been awesome.
The compressor runs it just fine.
This one, $80
My dad's old Stanley Bostitch framing gun finally bit the dust, need to rebuild the seals on it. I ordered the numax from Amazon for $70 to finish up the basement. It's been awesome.
The compressor runs it just fine.
This one, $80
This post was edited on 11/8/17 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 11/8/17 at 10:42 pm to baldona
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Have you looked used? This time of year with the holidays coming up and work slowing down, you can often times find that stuff for cheap.
Where is work slowing down?
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