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Today, I became a b*tch: ATF/Pistol brace related…

Posted on 7/26/22 at 5:35 pm
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
35587 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 5:35 pm
Bought a “basic bitch” buffer tube for my Anderson/Stern Defense 9mm AR pistol. I don’t feel like playing games with the ATF. Chances are low that I would get in trouble, but I don’t want feel like fighting the law alone on this if anything were to happen so I’ll just pack my Kak Blade and notched buffer tube in the closet until it’s safe to come back out.
This post was edited on 7/26/22 at 5:36 pm
Posted by Ry_garou
Lafayette
Member since Mar 2014
580 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 6:00 pm to
I’ll be doing the same. I put a buffer tube on my Extar 9.

Our problem would be if we had to use them in a self defense situation. I think those bastards would come knocking..
Posted by LEASTBAY
Member since Aug 2007
14259 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 6:14 pm to
Me too, so don't bother coming to my house now ATF.
Posted by Ol boy
Member since Oct 2018
2928 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 6:20 pm to
Fill me in?
Has there been a recent change from all the other “rumors” of changes?
I know about the whole is it or if you shoulder it it is but only if not intended slash whatever. But was there something recent to make you lose it in the boating accident?
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
35587 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 6:23 pm to
Apparently, the point system goes into effect next month.
Posted by Mr.Perfect
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2013
17438 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 6:59 pm to
Can you explain what you bought for someone with very limited knowledge of “extras”. I don’t understand what you bought
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
35587 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 7:11 pm to
I bought a smooth, pistol style buffer tube so I can keep all the other shite on it. Sites, grips, etc.
Posted by rattlebucket
SELA
Member since Feb 2009
11420 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 7:17 pm to
Got a link about this pernt system going in effect?

I dont see how they can do this after they gave the go ahead in an opinion letter not long ago that braces were fine AND you can shoulder the weapon.

Someone has to challenge this as unconstitutional. Shall. Not. Be. Infringed.
Posted by HeadSlash
TEAM LIVE BADASS - St. GEORGE
Member since Aug 2006
49504 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 7:30 pm to
The Supreme Court just ruled against government agencies legislating law. Said it was Congress's job.
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
35587 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 7:37 pm to
Yes, I understand that, but until someone holds the ATF accountable, I’ll be swapping out the buffer tubes.

If y’all want to scream USSC court cases and “shall not be infringed” in court, that’s your prerogative. I’d rather not be in court at all.

I can’t find anything on the ATF’s site, but I did find this article that states “August 2022” as an implementation date.

LINK /
Posted by jlovel7
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
21305 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 7:41 pm to
Wait so the only thing needed to change is a buffer tube? Same brace and everything?
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
35587 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 7:50 pm to
No, I’m removing it entirely. They have a designated configuration with a brace that’s “legal” and within 4 points, but they still have the “authority” to question it. Legally, I know, they really don’t, but I don’t want to have that conversation with the ATF.

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Posted by Success
Member since Sep 2015
1721 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 7:50 pm to
Buffer tube only. Nothing attached to it. Or slid on to it.
Posted by HeadSlash
TEAM LIVE BADASS - St. GEORGE
Member since Aug 2006
49504 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 7:56 pm to
quote:


If y’all want to scream USSC court cases and “shall not be infringed” in court, that’s your prerogative. I’d rather not be in court at all.


My attorney says I don't want to be the test case.
Posted by Ol boy
Member since Oct 2018
2928 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 8:11 pm to
[quote]LINK ]
Someone needs to make a series of flash cards for us simple people to let us know what is legal.
Buffer tube only with roll of duck tape and rmr illegal!!
Buffer tube no rmr legal!!
Stabilizing brace with strap and rmr illegal!
Stabilize brace with rmr and pink foregrip in the shape of a penis legal!!!
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
35587 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 8:13 pm to
Someone correct me if I’m wrong….


The maximum points for section 2 is three points and the maximum points for section 3 is also three points making the total number of points 6 or less. Is that right?

That’s how they have the “legal” configuration set up. There’s a good chance I might be able to keep the Kak Blade installed.
Posted by lsufan1971
Zachary
Member since Nov 2003
18112 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 8:33 pm to
I watched part of the subcommittee hearing last week when the republicans tried to add an amendment to exclude braces from the new ASsault weapons bill. The stupid fricking democrats think braces are the same as bump stocks and increase the rate of fire on AR’s. Rep Massie from KY basically called them out as dumbasses. Part of the problem is they don’t know what they are trying to ban and how these parts on guns function. It was like trying to explain the Pythagorean theorem to a toddler.
This post was edited on 7/26/22 at 8:35 pm
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20304 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 9:45 pm to
quote:

Someone correct me if I’m wrong….


The maximum points for section 2 is three points and the maximum points for section 3 is also three points making the total number of points 6 or less. Is that right?

That’s how they have the “legal” configuration set up. There’s a good chance I might be able to keep the Kak Blade installed.
I'll say it: you're wrong.

Go back and look at that form again, and you will see that the ATF reserves the right to declare it illegal, regardless of configuration and points. The only thing the point system does, is to let you think you have a chance.

The KAK blade, as I recall (from doing my own research), is destined to fail. You get a point for having that buffer. You get 2 if you don't have a strap (I have straps btw). But looking at Length of Pull, you have to measure it from the longest possible setup, not where you put it yourself. As I recall, you barely slip inside the last allowable distance, and those points coupled with the buffer, put you over.
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
35587 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:00 pm to
quote:

Someone correct me if I’m wrong….


The maximum points for section 2 is three points and the maximum points for section 3 is also three points making the total number of points 6 or less. Is that right?


quote:

I'll say it: you're wrong.


look at the sheet again. they have 3 points on page 1 / section 2 and 3 more points on page 2 / section 3. totaling 6 while saying that setup is perfectly legal.


quote:

Go back and look at that form again, and you will see that the ATF reserves the right to declare it illegal, regardless of configuration and points. The only thing the point system does, is to let you think you have a chance.


yeah, i know. it sucks.
Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Member since Jun 2017
15598 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:14 pm to
Before there were good braces the best option was to buy a CAA stock saddle and ziptie it over the buffer tube.
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