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New proposed regs announced

Posted on 5/10/21 at 3:32 pm
Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
22692 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 3:32 pm
They announced the proposed changes on Friday.
This post was edited on 9/10/21 at 1:20 pm
Posted by Pepperidge
Slidell
Member since Apr 2011
4311 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 4:08 pm to
on it.

Thanks!

also forwarding to Firearms Professionals of Louisiana for input
This post was edited on 5/10/21 at 4:15 pm
Posted by Junky
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2005
8351 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 4:09 pm to
quote:

The ATF


Posted by TideCPA
Member since Jan 2012
10335 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 4:10 pm to
I just glanced through the proposal and didn't come away with that impression at all. The only thing the proposal would likely materially impact is 80% kits.

That said, F the ATF.
Posted by jaytothen
Member since Jan 2020
6395 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 4:31 pm to
quote:

The ATF is current in the "comment period" 


frick ATF
Posted by BayouBengal51
Forest Hill, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2006
6529 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 4:37 pm to
Just contacted my congressman and both senators, urging them to put some heat on the ATF.

Last time they tried to the pistol brace thing, they caught unholy hell in the comments section and from reps and they reversed course.

I'm hoping for the same thing here.

I expect Kennedy will actually respond to me as he did last time. I doubt Cassidy will do shite and the jury is out on Letlow.
Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
22692 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 4:56 pm to
Some companies have already said they are going to sue over this. we'll see how it plays out.
This post was edited on 9/10/21 at 1:21 pm
Posted by TideCPA
Member since Jan 2012
10335 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 5:37 pm to
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The way I read it, it requires separate parts kits, triggers, cylinders, uppers, etc. all to have to be serialized and purchased through an FFL. Yes, it also goes after 80% lowers and basically says anything that could potentially become a weapon must have a serial number, too. Which leaves the question, does a block of aluminum have to now be serialized??

And, if you home build a firearm, is it actually more than one gun??

Some companies have already said they are going to sue the ATF over this, but we'll see how it plays out.
It's pretty clear that there is only one frame or receiver per firearm. Look at the actual language beginning on p. 80 with specific illustrations. Even for split or modular frame/receiver weapons like ARs, it states the Director will use certain specific criteria to determine what the (singular) frame or receiver is. That's the only component that requires serialization. The issue being addressed is primarily district courts which have ruled that, because no individual part of some firearms (like ARs) meet the current definition of a "frame or receiver", none are required to be serialized and treated as firearms.

The new definition of a "firearm" is
quote:

Firearm. Any weapon, including a starter gun, which will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive; the frame or receiver of any such weapon; any firearm muffler or firearm silencer; or any destructive device; but the term shall not include an antique firearm. In the case of a licensed collector, the term shall mean only curios and relics. The term shall include a weapon parts kit that is designed to or may readily be assembled, completed, converted, or restored to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive. The term shall not include a weapon, including a weapon parts kit, in which each part defined as a frame or receiver of such weapon is destroyed.
This doesn't say that every part needs to be serialized; it's saying that parts kits that "may readily be" made into a firearm (i.e. 80% kits) are now considered firearms. It goes into detail of what the ATF considers "readily" for that purpose.

Nowhere in the document does it say anything about serializing parts such as triggers, firing pins, cylinders, etc.
This post was edited on 5/10/21 at 5:38 pm
Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
22692 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 9:03 pm to
So, the ATF is basically using "parts kits" for the definition of 80% lowers and not the actual parts kits that we all know of (ie: pins, springs, detents, triggers, etc)?

From the ATF's official summary, they mention cylinders, bolts, firing pins and more.

This is verbatim what the ATF's official summary says.


Sorry, I'm confused.

quote:

Proposed New Definition of Firearm “Frame or Receiver”

Under the proposed rule, a “frame or receiver” is any externally visible housing or holding structure for one or more fire control components. A “fire control component” is one necessary for the firearm to initiate, complete, or continue the firing sequence, including, but not limited to, any of the following: hammer, bolt, bolt carrier, breechblock, cylinder, trigger mechanism, firing pin, striker, or slide rails.

Any firearm part falling within the new definition that is identified with a serial number must be presumed, absent an official determination by ATF or other reliable evidence to the contrary, to be a frame or receiver.
More than one externally visible part may house or hold a fire control component on a particular firearm, such as with a split or modular frame or receiver. Under these circumstances, ATF may determine whether a specific part or parts of the weapon is the frame or receiver, which may include an internal frame or chassis at least partially exposed to the exterior to allow identification.


The proposed rule maintains current classifications and marking requirements of firearm frames or receivers, except that licensed manufacturers and importers must mark on new designs or configurations either: their name (or recognized abbreviation), and city and state (or recognized abbreviation) where they maintain their place of business; or their name (or recognized abbreviation) and their abbreviated FFL number, on each part defined as a frame or receiver, along with the serial number.
The proposed rule includes examples of types and models firearms and identifies the frame or receiver. Most examples also include an illustration identifying the frame or receiver. It also explains when a partially complete, disassembled, or inoperable frame or receiver is considered a “frame or receiver”, and explains that a destroyed frame or receiver is not considered a “frame or receiver”.

Firearm Parts Kits


The proposed rule explains that when a partially complete frame or receiver parts kit has reached a stage in manufacture where it may readily be completed, assembled, converted, or restored to a functional state, it is a “frame or receiver” that must be marked.

Weapon parts kits with partially complete frames or receivers and containing the necessary parts such that they may readily be completed, assembled, converted, or restored to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive are “firearms” for which each frame or receiver of the weapon would need to be marked.


A weapon, including a weapon parts kit, in which each frame or receiver of the weapon or within such kit is destroyed is not considered a “firearm”.

Licensing of Dealer/Gunsmiths

Under the proposed rule, dealers/gunsmiths can mark firearms for the maker or owner of a privately made firearm (PMF) and may be licensed to engage solely in that business.
Dealer/gunsmiths are not authorized to perform repair, modify, embellish, refurbish, or install parts in or on firearms (frames, receivers, or otherwise) for or on behalf of a licensed importer or licensed manufacturer because those firearms are for sale or distribution. A license as a Type 07 manufacturer would be required.

Marking Requirements for Firearms Other than PMFs

Under the proposed rule, licensed manufacturers and importers must identify each part defined as a frame or receiver (or specific part(s) determined by ATF) of each firearm they manufacture or import with a serial number, licensee’s name (or recognized abbreviation) where they maintain their place of business; or their name (or recognized abbreviation) and abbreviated federal firearms license number as a prefix, followed by a hyphen, and then followed by a number as a suffix (e.g., “12345678-[number]”).

Each part defined as a frame or receiver, machinegun, or firearm muffler or firearm silencer that is not a component part of a complete weapon or device at the time it is sold, shipped, or otherwise disposed of by the licensee must be identified with a serial number and all additional identifying information, except that the model designation and caliber or gauge may be omitted if that information is unknown at the time the part is identified.

Licensees must mark complete weapons, or frames or receivers disposed of separately, as the case may be, no later than seven days following the date of completion of the active manufacturing process or prior to disposition, whichever is sooner.


Posted by RadicalRedhead
Member since May 2021
119 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:03 pm to
quote:

The only thing the proposal would likely materially impact is 80% kits.


Which only means that, if this goes through, that 79% kits will be the new hotness.
Posted by Hurricane Mike
Member since Jun 2008
20059 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:24 pm to
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Call your congressman and senators


Jan 20th came and passed

No reason to call them now
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