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Story About Boat Capsizing in GOM off LA from Coast Cuard

Posted on 8/11/20 at 9:37 am
Posted by Marlo Stanfield
Member since Aug 2008
2061 posts
Posted on 8/11/20 at 9:37 am
CG Story from 2coolfishing

Story with a few possible lesson's learned. Thought I should share it over here.
Posted by ABucks11
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2012
1141 posts
Posted on 8/11/20 at 10:00 am to
I wish they would have figured out how the water got in the hull.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Member since Jan 2011
66763 posts
Posted on 8/11/20 at 10:02 am to
And yet another story of a boat going bottom up because of a shitty thru-hull.

Capt had the sense to delay his trip to replace a failed VHF and it possibly saved his arse and definitely sped the recovery significantly.

Glad to see a happy ending here. Lots of lessons to be learned. He did more right than most would have and still lost the lottery that day.
Posted by DomincDecoco
of no fixed abode
Member since Oct 2018
10820 posts
Posted on 8/11/20 at 10:03 am to
kudos to the puddle pirates....undervalued heros
Posted by Marlo Stanfield
Member since Aug 2008
2061 posts
Posted on 8/11/20 at 10:07 am to
Like a few of the 2cool guys said, I know the guy was excited, but I probably would've had the boat in the bays and/or near offshore a few times to make sure everything was good to go before running way out to go fishing. He was def more prepared than most and even then his preparation and preplanning in case of any issues didn't go quite as he thought or hoped it would.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Member since Jan 2011
66763 posts
Posted on 8/11/20 at 10:16 am to
Oh absolutely. Lessons abound and from my living room I can easily make a list of things I would have done differently than he did.

I have all the electronics that you can have to handle that situation. A DSC radio and eprib are crucial for a small craft on that kind of trip. He was covering some serious real estate out there.

Still the best insurance out there is SEACOCKS. I'm guilty as well with my plastic thruhulls and almost lost my boat due to a busted aerator pump housing before. If you want to spend money on boat safety, before all the fancy electronics get properly installed bronze seacocks, dual bilge pumps, and good bilge access. Every single boat sinking i personally know about has been due to a busted thruhull fitting
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
36791 posts
Posted on 8/11/20 at 10:44 am to
quote:

I probably would've had the boat in the bays and/or near offshore a few times to make sure everything was good to go before running way out to go fishing


agree. think I'd have stayed closer to shore too if I had the kids on board for the maiden voyage.
lucky family.
Posted by DeoreDX
Member since Oct 2010
4053 posts
Posted on 8/11/20 at 10:54 am to
Offshore is a foreign animal to me. "An overnighter" to an oil platform. What does that even mean? They sleeping on the boat? Dock up to the oil platform and spend the night?
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
36791 posts
Posted on 8/11/20 at 10:56 am to
yes. sleep on boat. fish a rig usually. do it overnight.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81600 posts
Posted on 8/11/20 at 11:02 am to
I sleep in the day. Bite is at night.
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
31881 posts
Posted on 8/11/20 at 11:05 am to
overnighting in a 20-ft boat that far offshore......nope

my old man owned a V20 steplift Wellcraft. Good boat and hefty for its length with that Carolina flare, BUT no way in hell would I bring 4 people that far out for that long.
Posted by EveryoneGetsATrophy
Member since Nov 2017
2907 posts
Posted on 8/11/20 at 11:17 am to
I spent many nights sleeping in my V-21 in the late 80s-90's in 3 feet of water while fishing oilfield bullred tournaments. Mine had a closed transom, not open. That boat had to be modified to run dual engines. Maybe he had a transom failure.
Posted by back9Tiger
Mandeville, LA.
Member since Nov 2005
14130 posts
Posted on 8/11/20 at 11:25 am to
We went out of GI to WD Friday and Saturday. Got back Friday after a good trip and had about 10 gallons of salt water in the hull. Put the boat in Saturday to see what was going on and seems to be one of the thru hulls forward on the boat (three thru hulls) or the front bait well which we did not use. Saturday we ran the bilge once and a while and it would run about 5-10 seconds tops. Seems to be a slow leak and we felt under control. have an EPRIB, ditch bag, etc.

What ticks me off is now figuring out if it is a fitting or a split in the hose and have no idea how I would fix that. Those below the water line scare the heck out of me.
Posted by dawg23
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Jul 2011
5065 posts
Posted on 8/11/20 at 11:27 am to
Question:

Fortunately I don't have any real experience with boats taking on water. So I'm asking out of ignorance.

Why do you think that the bilge didn't drain when the guy tried to "run the water out" (while both engines were operable) - and had two bilge pumps running? Maybe the hull of that boat is a lot deeper in the water, so there's greater hydraulic pressure pushing water in ?

Back when I had bateaus, it was easy to run water out.

The one time I lost a drain plug (18 ft. fiberglass boat - trolled over a stump and drain plug got pulled out). But my bilge pump kept up with the leak.

Posted by BeerThirty
Red Stick
Member since May 2017
898 posts
Posted on 8/11/20 at 11:37 am to
To run it out, it has to have an exit like your drain hole, which required him most likely to get in the water and remove. I don’t think i saw where he did that. So all he was doing was shifting the water to the stern. Or if he had a crack/busted fitting forward on the hull it could have pushed more water in that the small drain hole and bilge couldn’t keep up with. Like someone above said, wish they knew why he started taking on water and you would get a better answer for a solution.
Posted by GoAwayImBaitn
On an island in the marsh
Member since Jul 2018
2130 posts
Posted on 8/11/20 at 2:27 pm to
Good read but kind of hits home. I have a V20. I don't go offshore with it. I use it in and around Ponchartrain. I think it's capable of running in the Gulf but I know not to push it to it's limits.

Could have been an engine bracket that compromised the transom? Those old boats were wood cored. If that transom wasn't rebuilt or wasn't done right, I can see that causing a big problem.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Member since Jan 2011
66763 posts
Posted on 8/11/20 at 2:47 pm to
quote:

Why do you think that the bilge didn't drain when the guy tried to "run the water out


No telling. My boat has big thruhull fittings and I doubt my bilge pump could handle one of those being completely open. If I couldn't plane off they'd be taking in water. Some boats have the pickups through the bottom of the hull rather than through the transom and that may be the case here as well.
Posted by dawg23
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Jul 2011
5065 posts
Posted on 8/11/20 at 3:12 pm to
quote:

Some boats have the pickups through the bottom of the hull rather than through the transom and that may be the case here as well.
Never considered that.

Still, with two high capacity bilge pumps (the boat owner seemed to be the type to plan for every contingency, so I'd presume he installed good pumps), it would take a high rate of inflow to exceed what two pumps could remove.
Posted by Gtmodawg
PNW
Member since Dec 2019
4580 posts
Posted on 8/11/20 at 3:45 pm to
Good ending to what could have been just another missing persons report. The guys experience really paid off....just knowing enough to know what channel he could get a radio check on and having the sense to know better than to go offshore with a malfunctioning radio saved their lives most likely.

The orange PFDs are also a good point. You would think that whit hull would stick out like a sore thumb but from a distance it can easily look like a wave without something on it breaking it up. It is amazing how easy it is to miss something in that vastness.
Posted by Gtmodawg
PNW
Member since Dec 2019
4580 posts
Posted on 8/11/20 at 4:03 pm to
quote:

Never considered that.

Still, with two high capacity bilge pumps (the boat owner seemed to be the type to plan for every contingency, so I'd presume he installed good pumps), it would take a high rate of inflow to exceed what two pumps could remove.


A two inch hole one foot below sea level will allow about 20 gallons of water to pass in a minute without any obstruction....so lets say you lost, in its entirety a 1 inch thru hull fail completely, you'd have 1200 gallons of water aboard in an hour at about 8 1/2 pounds per gallons. If you had a 1000 GPH bilge pump working in laboratory conditions...a boat at sea with typical wiring systems is far from a laboratory...you'd have 160 pounds of extra weight in the hull...of course its an exponential function so as the hole gets further below sea level the faster it floods.

The article mentions one engine quits. May have been a function of taking on water....if it is then water was most likely coming over the transom at way more than that which would have resulted from a bunch of busted thru hulls.....boat was probably pretty low at the stern and there weren't enough bodies to redistribute enough weight to the bow to lift the stern of a hull that style and configuration. Just bad luck all the way around.


Blige pumps are design tested in a laboratory....the individual pumps built to that design may or may not perform as advertised....but they for certain ain't going to perform as advertised in an actual marine environment. Lose connections, leaking hoses allowing head pressure to drop, debris, bilge water being thick with oils and blood and all sorts of trash and a 1500 GP bilge pump working as hard as it can work may, with some luck, remove about 70% of that in a actual boating environment...let that thing run for a while, the batteries start to drain and the water temps get above about 70 degrees and that pump won't remove half its rated capacity even in the best of circumstances. Anyone who has ever built a bait tank with a bilge pump tossed over the side with a hose and a drain tossed over the side with another hose will attest to this....
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