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started reloading...could go one of two ways

Posted on 8/15/19 at 2:13 pm
Posted by Duckhammer_77
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Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 8/15/19 at 2:13 pm
well, ordered some reloading equip today and looking forward to trying my hand at it. Its been my dad's main hobby his whole life and I'll either find that it's not for me and sell the equipment, or (most likely) will become addicted. Have a couple of rifles that are perfect for it, and from researching things, could get crazy accuracy out of those rifles through reloading. I'm sure some of yall do it, any tips or things to watch out for? TIA
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
18893 posts
Posted on 8/15/19 at 2:20 pm to
Serious answer.

When reloading lock the door to keep the kids out, put the phone away, radio and TV off. Remove any other distractions.

It all seems like fun until you have a double charge go off by your right cheek. Ask me how I know? Detonated a buddies M4 using his handloads last year. I was wearing a pair of Oakley's and the chunk of extractor stuck in the lens would have blinded me. Still got mildly messed up in the ordeal.
Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
14661 posts
Posted on 8/15/19 at 2:25 pm to
I've been thinking about getting into it too. You can start out fairly cheaply but it's one of those hobbies that you can spend as much as you want on.

There are a few youtube channels I've been watching:
GunBlue490
gavintoobe
Ready Set Reload
Posted by saintsfan1977
West Monroe, from Cajun country
Member since Jun 2010
7604 posts
Posted on 8/15/19 at 2:35 pm to
Barely neck size a case enough to hold a bullet from falling inside the case. Seat a bullet long and put it in your rifle and close the bolt. Measure the round and it will tell approximately where your lands are.

I use a hornady comparator set fir headspace and bullet seating. It's more accurate.

Instead of starting at the minimum powder charge listed in the book, start in the middle. You are just wasting components by loading the minimum to the middle.

It's so simple anyone can do it. I only load for rifles.
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
24937 posts
Posted on 8/15/19 at 2:37 pm to
what set did you order.

With my new rifle that I built I'm trying to get it as accurate as I possibly can.

Ordered an K&M arbor press and LE Wilson dies for it. Perfect concentricity with them.

also have gotten a new Labradar so I know my velocities, extreme spread and standard deviation. You need the ES and S/D as low as possible.
Along those lines also have ordered a new powder dispenser.

My gun shot .43" last time out. I'd like to get that even smaller. Still working on load development.
Posted by jdavid1
Member since Jan 2014
2465 posts
Posted on 8/15/19 at 2:51 pm to
If you ever plan on reloading bulk go with the progressive press. It's worth every dollar. If you are just doing precision rifle then a single stage will be just fine. Keep your powder in a climate controlled area. Pay attention. It's very easy to double charge or squib a load.

Bapple had a thread on here with some very helpful videos. He got me going in the right direction when I started. I'll see if I can find it.
Posted by Duckhammer_77
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Member since Nov 2016
2675 posts
Posted on 8/15/19 at 3:02 pm to
quote:

you can spend as much as you want on.

firm believer in buy the best you can afford and cry once. was fortunate enough to have some birthday money from parents and in-laws. So equipment is done, arrives next week - at the office. Need to get the consumables...and find the time now.

Your right about distractions, I can see how that could be dangerous. What do you all reload for and what are your favorite powders, bullets, etc?
Posted by Duckhammer_77
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Member since Nov 2016
2675 posts
Posted on 8/15/19 at 3:09 pm to
quote:

what set did you order.

RCBS Rockchucker kit & Chargemaster, Redding master hunter dies. Plan to reload for my new 30 Nosler and a 22-250 I picked up two yrs ago. Will probably send the 22-250 off to be blueprinted and rebarreled for LR varmit shooter. They both shoot just under 1 MOA now @ 200yds and I know I can get that tighter than factory loads.
Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
14661 posts
Posted on 8/15/19 at 3:18 pm to
quote:

firm believer in buy the best you can afford and cry once.

That's generally my MO too. I usually know myself well enough that I know if a new endeavor is something I'm likely to stay with long-term.

I got a 224 VAL upper for my AR and so that's what I'll likely be reloading for if I decide to get into it.

quote:

RCBS Rockchucker kit & Chargemaster

That's the same kit I've been looking at. It seems like a good choice and I've seen lots of good reviews for that press. Please let me know your opinion once you've used it a bit.
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
24937 posts
Posted on 8/15/19 at 3:41 pm to
quote:

Your right about distractions, I can see how that could be dangerous. What do you all reload for and what are your favorite powders, bullets, etc?



I load for a lot of different rounds.

9mm, .38/.357, 10mm, .45, 6.5cm, 6.5grn, 6.8spc, .223, .300blk, .308

the pistol power that I use is Alliant BE-86. I doubt it's the best. when I got into reloading NObama was in charge and this was right after Newtown. It was all I could find and just stuck with it.

Rifle, totally depends on the round.

6.5cm H4350 and R-16
.308 Varget
.300blk IMR4227
.223 AR-comp

I have a Dillon RL550 for everything but the 6.5cm right now. Will probably get dies for the .308 for it at some point.

ETA: Do a little research on the Chargemaster. Supposedly there is a trick that helps it be a little more accurate/faster. Use a McDonald's straw in the dispensing tube. There may be some settings after that.

I have a Hornady. It overthrows all the danged time, it's slow, and I question it's accuracy. That's why I ordered the new one.
This post was edited on 8/15/19 at 3:47 pm
Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
14661 posts
Posted on 8/15/19 at 4:52 pm to
quote:

ETA: Do a little research on the Chargemaster.

Also look at the Chargemaster Lite. The main difference is that you can't store your load information but that seems like a very minor thing to me.
Posted by magicman534
The dirty dell
Member since May 2011
1563 posts
Posted on 8/15/19 at 5:42 pm to
I started reloading this year and have really enjoyed it. It appeals to my meticulous nature and the fact that I like shooting. I have the rcbs rock chucker and like it. I also have the Lyman prep station and digital scale. I bought Hornady dies bc they send you 100 free bullets with every die set POP. I’ve been happy with them so far. I’m loading for 6.5 grendel and creedmoor now with plans to load for my 7 mag next. I keep my powders in the garage but do keep my primers inside in a climate controlled environment. Also, Johnny’s reloading bench on YouTube is a good resource. Guy is kind of long winded but has a ton of info and gives you all of his reloading recipes.
This post was edited on 8/15/19 at 5:45 pm
Posted by tb27688
Member since Jul 2011
1201 posts
Posted on 8/15/19 at 5:44 pm to
I’ve got a charge master and I love it. The best advice I can give you is get you a good manual and READ IT before you attempt to load a cartridge.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
16537 posts
Posted on 8/15/19 at 6:01 pm to
Look up the plastic straw trick with the Chargemasters, use a Sonic drink straw. Also, if you start doing a lot of brass, get a powered case trimmer and powered case prep center with carbide cutters.
Posted by fishfighter
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Member since Apr 2008
40026 posts
Posted on 8/15/19 at 7:22 pm to
quote:

Barely neck size a case enough to hold a bullet from falling inside the case. Seat a bullet long and put it in your rifle and close the bolt. Measure the round and it will tell approximately where your lands are.


I get the bullet to seat into the barrel groves. I also make a dumbie case/bullet and mark what bullet and weight.

quote:

Instead of starting at the minimum powder charge listed in the book, start in the middle. You are just wasting components by loading the minimum to the middle.


Start 3/4 up. I found that working up a load, I am just under max. Now that all depends on the primer and powder I use.

quote:

It's so simple anyone can do it.


This, but care is needed along with good lighting.
Posted by TigerOnThe Hill
Springhill, LA
Member since Sep 2008
6810 posts
Posted on 8/15/19 at 7:53 pm to
quote:

I keep my powders in the garage

Find a spot in your house to store your powder. You'll be much happier w/ it's longevity storing it that way.
Posted by TigerOnThe Hill
Springhill, LA
Member since Sep 2008
6810 posts
Posted on 8/15/19 at 8:19 pm to
Duckhammer,
Glad to hear your going to start reloading! Handloading has been an ejoyable and satisfying hobby for me for >35 years. Like guns, you'll find all handloaders are partial to their own particular equipment and that's understandable; heck, I'm the same way.

Some will say Lee tools are cheap and poor quality, but my personal experience w/ Lee tools has been actually been very favorable. The only piece of Lee equipment that disappointed me was the "Disc Measure." It's about as accurate as most inexpensive ones, but makes a mess when used w/ small, spherical powders. I prefer the $5 Lee case cutter and Lee case length gauge (you have to buy a different one for each caliber you load for) over my $80 Redding lathe trimmer. I've exclusively used Lee case and shell holders. My only press is a 3 hole Lee classic turret press I've been using for >35 yrs. There's nothing wrong w/ the single stage presses, but if set up right, the turret press can load much faster than a single stage (not as fast as a progressive, but pretty fast). I've been using my Lee hand priming tool the same time period, as well. Granted, the Lee stuff isn't as refined as other brands, but mine has worked well. I use a variety of brands w/ my dies (probably >30 sets of dies), including Lee, RCBS, Hornady and Redding. Lee dies are noticeably "cheaper" looking than the others, but I still produce sub MOA loads for my son's 223 using Lee dies. I don't like the spindle set up of Hornady dies. If the Hornady depriving pin gets broken (easy to do), you have to replace the entire $15 spindle for that caliber. W/ all other dies, you only replace the $0.25 pin (I keep spare depriving pins). Don't ask how I learned about that potential issue w/ Hornady dies. As far as dies, I think "the other green" (Redding) makes the highest quality, best looking mass manufactured dies.

Tips:
1. Buy a Universal Decapping and Depriming Die (costs about $10). Mine saved me on the opening weekend of deer season one year when the depriming pin on my 308 Win broke before I'd finished loading some hunting rounds. This leads me to #2.
2. Buy a number of extra depriming pins.
3. Once you figure out the basic powders you're going to use (you'll probably burn through a lot of 1# cans in the process), buy some 4-8# kegs of your preferred powders. Even w/ the $29 hazardous shipping fee you can still save $$$ buying powder and primers online in large quantities. When looking to buy powder online, wait for free hazardous shipping (usually 3-4 times/year w/ different companies) or get some friends to go in w/ you.
4. Repeat #3 by buying 1000/carton of your preferred primers. I keep my brands/types of primers to a minimum.
5. As previously mentioned, for trimming brass, I prefer using the Lee Case Length Gauge and put it in a power drill.
6. The customer service I've experienced from the different manufacturers has been good, but I've been especially impressed w/ Redding's.
7. If you're manually weighing each charge, buy a powder trickler. If not loading a large # of rounds, I still use my manual powder scale.
8. Buy the case and shell holder set (again, mine's Lee). Much less expensive to buy the complete set than to buy them individually.
9. When loading for multiple calibers in one session, only keep ONE can of powder on your bench. I've always had this rule, but managed to accidentally break it last year. It didn't harm me any, but I managed to mix 2 types of powder into a single can. One of the cans was brand new and cost $50/1#.
10. All my case prep tools are manuel, as well. Instead of buying a primer pocket cleaner, I'd buy a Sinclair primer pocket uniformer. The tool can be used to uniform the primer pockets (a step to enhance accuracy) as well as cleaning the primer pocket. I also use a Sinclair flash hole deburring toolto improve accuracy.
11. The Lee powder measure kit is VERY handy.
12. Have available, and freely use, multiple handloading manuals. Most will very nicely walk you through the handloading process. This is very important for a newbie like your self. There's a lot of load data on the net. Be VERY careful using someone else's date. I prefer to use factory load data on the net (Nosler and Hodgdon have good sites).
13. Buy a $12 electronic 6" micrometer from Freight Harbor. Mine's lasted >20 years.
14. I'd look at a kit like Lee Classic Turret Press. It'll have most of the basic tools you'll need.
15. Midsouth Shooters Supply will have the best prices on handloading tools and components.
16. The above mentioned kit comes w/ a priming tool to be used w/ the press. I prefer to use the Lee hand priming tool when loading for precision
17. My other favorite handloaing supplier include: Midway USA; Natchez Shooters Supply; Powder Valley and Shooter's Pro Shop (nosler store; good prices on blems
and overruns). Midway will have free shipping for order >$50 every month or two.
18. When loading for accuracy, I like to check neck concentricity, deburr the flash hole and uniform the primer pocket. Sinclair/Brownell's and K&M are good sources for equipment.
19. In closing, you CAN NOT be too careful. Enjoy yourself.

.
Posted by saintsfan1977
West Monroe, from Cajun country
Member since Jun 2010
7604 posts
Posted on 8/16/19 at 6:49 am to
quote:

Some will say Lee tools are cheap and poor quality, but my personal experience w/ Lee tools has been actually been very favorable.


The majority of my reloading equipment is Lee.

Lee classic cast press. It was cheaper than a Rock chucker and just as sturdy if not more.

Lee trimmer but I upgraded to a LE Wilson lathe with micrometer. Both work great.

Lee perfect powder measure which will throw IMR4350 perfect everytime.

I have a Redding no. 2 scale

All Lee dies

Redding powder trickler because it's the heaviest they make. It won't tip over by accident.

Lee Ergo hand primer. That thing us awesome and I have all the shell holders for it.

Lee and Barnes loading manual.

Lyman case prep tools. I do everything by hand but I can chuck everything in a drill and run through it quick. I only load about 20-30 at a time for myself. I loaded 140 for my brother's 308 SCAR 17. 3 bullets and 3 powders to find the load it likes. That took awhile on a single stage press.

I bought everything separate. I worked in Texas for 2 months years ago and stayed in a best Western so I got $1500 in amazon gift cards. I spent the $1000 of it on reloading tools and after much research, Lee equipment was as good as the rest so I didn't see the need in spending more for cosmetics.
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