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Ruger Security 9
Posted on 9/27/21 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 9/27/21 at 3:44 pm
I like that it has a manual safety as we have small kids. This a good reliable handgun the wife will be able to handle?
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Posted on 9/27/21 at 3:58 pm to pwejr88
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I like that it has a manual safety as we have small kids
Posted on 9/27/21 at 4:03 pm to pwejr88
I assume for general recreation ?
In police training, autos with safeties are generally not good. Under stress and a sudden encounter, many will forget the safety and end up dead.
This is emphasized heavily in the old Police Academy book
" Street Survival " .
Now, certain persons with alot of training with a 1911, do have that safety ingrained in their thinking to a point that it is instinct. But not the average Joe.
In police training, autos with safeties are generally not good. Under stress and a sudden encounter, many will forget the safety and end up dead.
This is emphasized heavily in the old Police Academy book
" Street Survival " .
Now, certain persons with alot of training with a 1911, do have that safety ingrained in their thinking to a point that it is instinct. But not the average Joe.
Posted on 9/27/21 at 4:11 pm to pwejr88
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I like that it has a manual safety as we have small kids.
Same.
Don't get talked out of a gun with a manual safety if you believe it makes it safer to own. Other than revolvers, I grew up shooting pistols with manual safeties. Just practice flipping the safety off as part of your routine at the range and during dry fire practice at home. My primary pistols now are Beretta 92's. I'd look that direction or at the various Sigs with manual safeties if that's what you want. My wife has shot the Berettas and likes them.
This post was edited on 9/27/21 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 9/27/21 at 5:09 pm to EF Hutton
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In police training, autos with safeties are generally not good. Under stress and a sudden encounter, many will forget the safety and end up dead.
I’ve heard this for years, but are there any actual documented cases of people losing a gunfight because of an external safety?
Posted on 9/27/21 at 5:16 pm to DownSouthJukin
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Beretta 92's.
Great handgun. Very underrated
Posted on 9/27/21 at 5:36 pm to TheGooner
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I’ve heard this for years, but are there any actual documented cases of people losing a gunfight because of an external safety
Absolutely. Many of the pictures in " Street Survival - Tactics For Armed Encounters "
are from actual incidents. At least 2 in there are from the Howard Johnson Sniper incident 1973, NOLA.
In training at the LSP academy, we shot over and over and over from the 2 yard line. At the buzzer, take one step back, unholster, and fire 2 rounds from ready gun.
Repetition develops instinct. About 7 years later, i had a subject resist and pick up his rifle off the ground. Barrel pointed toward me. Without thinking, i took one step back, and was at ready gun. All instinct. He is alive today because i noticed that he had no fingers near the trigger. Picked him up on a warrant 2 days later.
I wouldn't buy it. Not for defense.
Posted on 9/27/21 at 7:29 pm to Cash
quote:quote:Great handgun. Very underrated
Beretta 92's.
Even better if you get the G conversion kit and turn the safety into a decocker only.
I'm like many others in that I don't believe a manual safety has any business on a defensive autoloader. At 3 AM, when you need to use it, I don't give a shite how many thousands of times you drew it at the range and remembered to flip the safety off.
You NEVER practice drawing from a dead sleep in your bed at the range. Any step past "pull trigger" is one more step you might miss when you need that pistol most.
This post was edited on 9/27/21 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 9/27/21 at 7:29 pm to pwejr88
Is the manual safety really going to stop your kids from being able to figure it out? Is it likely to make you feel overly confident about leaving it accessible and loaded?
Posted on 9/27/21 at 8:04 pm to rebelrouser
You people are absolutely out of control with your crusade against manual safeties.
You are going to handle your feather triggered striker fired gun many thousand times more than you will in a defensive situation. Odds are you'll never use it in a defensive situation at all. You are therfore infinitely more likely to AD the gun than you are to forget to disengage the safety in a life or death situation.
It statistically makes zero sense to not have a manual safety. I dont have a problem with other people not having one, but its more easily justified to have one than it is to not have one on a striker fired pistol.
A kid can pick up a pistol and pull the trigger not even realizing he's touching the trigger. That won't happen with a manual safety. Sure, he can disengage the safety and still shoot it, but he must deliberately shoot it. That is a very massive huge difference, and COULD save someone's life.
The gun is almost assuredly never going to be used for self defense, but it will absolutely be handled loaded, many many many times. I dont know why yall are so damned against having a safety. Practice and it becomes a total non issue. I dont even realize that my shotgun has a safety. Its always on, and after I shoot something its back on without me ever realizing I took it off or put it back on.
You are going to handle your feather triggered striker fired gun many thousand times more than you will in a defensive situation. Odds are you'll never use it in a defensive situation at all. You are therfore infinitely more likely to AD the gun than you are to forget to disengage the safety in a life or death situation.
It statistically makes zero sense to not have a manual safety. I dont have a problem with other people not having one, but its more easily justified to have one than it is to not have one on a striker fired pistol.
A kid can pick up a pistol and pull the trigger not even realizing he's touching the trigger. That won't happen with a manual safety. Sure, he can disengage the safety and still shoot it, but he must deliberately shoot it. That is a very massive huge difference, and COULD save someone's life.
The gun is almost assuredly never going to be used for self defense, but it will absolutely be handled loaded, many many many times. I dont know why yall are so damned against having a safety. Practice and it becomes a total non issue. I dont even realize that my shotgun has a safety. Its always on, and after I shoot something its back on without me ever realizing I took it off or put it back on.
Posted on 9/27/21 at 8:17 pm to pwejr88
I have the security 9
Just bought the Ruger Max 9 pro
I love Ruger pistols. The safety is no big deal. That being said, my max 9 doesn’t have one
Just bought the Ruger Max 9 pro
I love Ruger pistols. The safety is no big deal. That being said, my max 9 doesn’t have one
Posted on 9/27/21 at 8:37 pm to DownSouthJukin
I'm huge fan of DA/SA for carry/defense guns. The mode of operation is still draw and pull trigger, but the first pull has to be very deliberate.
Posted on 9/27/21 at 8:38 pm to Sticker1971
Thanks for the reply guys.
As far as the safety, it’ll be upstairs with us.
If an intruder is in the house, and we have an alarm system, a safety shouldn’t be a big deal by the time I or my wife is in a position to defend our home and the people in it.
As far as the safety, it’ll be upstairs with us.
If an intruder is in the house, and we have an alarm system, a safety shouldn’t be a big deal by the time I or my wife is in a position to defend our home and the people in it.
Posted on 9/27/21 at 9:01 pm to EF Hutton
I don’t doubt you, I had just never heard of an actual case.
Posted on 9/27/21 at 9:03 pm to pwejr88
During shoot/ don't shoot training, i was faced with a gun to head of hostage situation.
They told me later that there was a Marantz home stero on at 3/4 volume. I NEVER HEARD IT.
trust us when we say, you will likely not remember the safety.
They told me later that there was a Marantz home stero on at 3/4 volume. I NEVER HEARD IT.
trust us when we say, you will likely not remember the safety.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 8:57 am to Sticker1971
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Just bought the Ruger Max 9 pro
This was going to be my suggestion as well. They are available with or without a safety.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 9:28 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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You people are absolutely out of control with your crusade against manual safeties.
For me it depends on the safety. I bought a Shield Plus with a safety because a) it was the one available with a military discount and b) I appendix carry sometimes and I use the safety to reholster. I do not and would never carry that particular weapon with the safety on, because it's this low-profile thing that you will absolutely have trouble with when your fine motor skills crap the bed. I don't think whoever designed intended it to be used that way, I think it's there more for when you're messing with the gun for another reason besides self defense.
If someone wants a safety I wouldn't talk them out of it, but I would tell them to look carefully at the gun they're considering. Is it a nice big surface for your thumb, or is it some nub of metal that checks a box for "has a safety"? That matters, a lot.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 10:13 am to Shexter
No need for all of those gifs.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 2:04 pm to Flats
I like the shield safety, because you can confidently leave it off without worrying about it re-engaging accidentally. Its a good "handling purposes" safety.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 5:35 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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I like the shield safety, because you can confidently leave it off without worrying about it re-engaging accidentally. Its a good "handling purposes" safety.
I do too, I just don't consider it an operational (as in self defense) safety, nor do I think it was designed for that. The whole point of the Shield is a slim width, and if the safety was much bigger I'd have ordered one without it.
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