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re: Reloading Costs for a Beginner

Posted on 1/2/13 at 10:29 pm to
Posted by ninthward
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Posted on 1/2/13 at 10:29 pm to
thats just one step of a rifle round such as this , we have not even begun to discuss sizing trimming etc

if you can get the brass and bullets that chap sell it all and get a loading set up
Posted by Judge Smails
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Posted on 1/2/13 at 10:37 pm to
Thanks for all of your insight.
Posted by ninthward
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Posted on 1/2/13 at 10:56 pm to
sure,


check out

www.thehighroad.org
Posted by bapple
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Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:08 pm to
For guys saying you'd be unable to do it... They are overstating how "difficult" it is. I agree that pistol cartridges are much easier to load, but loading rifle rounds is not that difficult.

The resizing die will resize your brass so it won't over "stretch" as you say. It will be resized each time you rub it through.

If you want to embark on this, post specific questions and I'll answer them when I'm on my computer. I'm on my phone right now.
Posted by ninthward
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Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:11 pm to
I did not say it was difficult just something I would not suggest to a first timer.
Posted by bapple
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Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:14 pm to
You can't do something you've never done and not be a first timer. The only way to learn is to do it. Granted, pistol reloading is easier, basic rifle loading for beginners isn't impossible.
Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
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Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:21 pm to
It was "suggested" not for the first time. If your method is better than a suggestion then by all means help the guy out and teach him.
Posted by bapple
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Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:11 am to
Alright, so for rifle reloading in its most basic form you'll need these components:

Die Set (with shell holder)
Press
Case trimmer
Deburring/chamfering tool
Priming Tool
Tumbler
Reloading Guide

and of course:

Powder
Primers
Bullets

The products I use for each one with price estimates:

Die Set - RCBS Small Base .223/5.56 Dies ($40)
Press - RCBS Rock Chucker Press ($200)
Case Trimmer - Lee Trimmer with chuck ($15)
Deburring/Chamfering Tool - RCBS Trim Mate ($100)
Priming Tool - Lee Autoprime ($30)
Tumbler - Thumler's Thumbler with Stainless Steel media ($220)
Reloading Guide - Hornady 2008 Edition ($30)

Granted, these steps can be completed with much cheaper tools, these help me to load as quick as I possibly can on a single stage press. To go any faster, I would need a progressive press, and I will eventually get one.

Also, with the concerns of the whistle blowers telling you that you could double charge a case and blow your gun up - come on! First of all, if you double charge a .223, it will overflow EASILY. Secondly, any experienced reloader should check the charge each time before charging the cases and examine these cases for powder levels before seating the bullets. And lastly, if you follow a reputable reloading guide, these published charges are WAY below pressures compared to factory rounds. To get absolute max charges, you can check their website. If not, follow the book and you'll have no issues. You should still start at the lower end of the charge and work up though.

My process for reloading rifle rounds is as follows:

1. Lube, deprime, and resize fired cases
2. Tumble cases
3. Trim cases
4. Chamfer/Debur cases
5. Prime cases
6. Charge cases
7. Seat bullets in cases
8. Shoot, shoot, shoot, etc...

I do agree with Ninthward that it would be easier to start with handgun loading, but if you wish to start reloading rifle first, it wouldn't be impossible.

If you referred to my videos in the FAQ thread and they weren't helpful enough, I've been entertaining the idea of doing some videos for rifle reloading. Let me know if this would be helpful to you and I can add it in there.

Good luck and happy shooting!
Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 1/3/13 at 3:20 am to
the only reason I suggest the pistol straight wall is because its obvious when you double charge, i am just leery about giving advice on the web for a cartridge that can provide a very very hot round if in fact a double charge was fired(.223). Also equally as hard to determine this the first time visually in a rifle round if you had not seen it before.

(example) say he reloads first with a .45 acp and with a powder like Unique a double charge is obvious.
Posted by fishfighter
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Posted on 1/3/13 at 5:13 am to
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(example) say he reloads first with a .45 acp and with a powder like Unique a double charge is obvious.


It will be obvious in a rifle charge too! When I load, I pump out 100 at the time. I charge all casings before crimping. Use a flashlight to check each charge is a must.

For hunting rounds, I weigh each charge to the Tee.
Posted by chrisman17
New Orleans, LA
Member since Dec 2007
1008 posts
Posted on 1/3/13 at 6:02 am to
quote:

You can't do something you've never done and not be a first timer. The only way to learn is to do it. Granted, pistol reloading is easier, basic rifle loading for beginners isn't impossible.



I don't think anyone said impossible, just a pain in the arse.
Posted by Judge Smails
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Posted on 1/3/13 at 8:24 am to
Thanks to all three of you guys for your contributions on educating a newb like me.
Posted by bapple
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Posted on 1/3/13 at 12:55 pm to
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Thanks to all three of you guys for your contributions on educating a newb like me.


Just utilizing the power of the interwebz.

Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
28738 posts
Posted on 1/3/13 at 1:41 pm to
With that Lake City brass the primer is crimped and swagging the primer pocket. There is a tool to do it but I'm not familiar with that step.
Posted by Judge Smails
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Posted on 1/3/13 at 1:43 pm to
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Lake City brass


Just one more step for a guy that doesnt know what the hell he's doing.
Posted by bapple
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Posted on 1/3/13 at 1:52 pm to
quote:

Just one more step for a guy that doesnt know what the hell he's doing.


Haha sorry I forgot to include the part about swaging.

For the most part, all of the 223/556 brass you'll find will be PMC. It is the most common of them all and fortunately does not have crimped primer pockets. Here is what I'm talking about:



As you can see, one of those cases has a smaller primer than the other. So, for the smaller one to accept a primer (in this case, a large rifle primer) it must be swaged or reemed, meaning, the opening must be made larger to accept a primer.

This is what I use for swaging. It is extremely simple and gets the job done the same way every time:



RCBS Swaging Tool - it mounts on the press and can be used for large and small primer pockets.
Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
Member since May 2007
22826 posts
Posted on 1/3/13 at 1:53 pm to
We have all had a mentor at some point in hand loading.
Posted by Judge Smails
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Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 1/3/13 at 1:53 pm to
The Lake City brass I have access to will have to be swaged.
Posted by bapple
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 1/3/13 at 1:54 pm to
quote:

We have all had a mentor at some point in hand loading.


This is absolutely true. My dad has been a rifle loader for 20+ years, so I had a pretty distinct advantage to others with no experience.

OP, if you have any questions, feel free to ask me. Like I said, if I can make extra tutorial videos to help with the process, I will be more than happy to do it.
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
12235 posts
Posted on 1/3/13 at 1:55 pm to
quote:

The Lake City brass I have access to will have to be swaged.


Word.

Then snag that RCBS tool if you end up getting into reloading.

It may be a bit overwhelming at first when you start loading, but once you go through the motions, it'll become second nature and extremely fun.
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