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re: Recommend a red dot for a Gen 5 Glock 17

Posted on 9/16/18 at 9:07 am to
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11875 posts
Posted on 9/16/18 at 9:07 am to
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not sure on the RMR as it claims a long battery life ...but does not say auto shut off and motion sense turn on...that I can find



If you don't plan to shoot it at night just get the dual illuminated version. It runs on fiber optic and tritium so as long as you're in the sun I guarantee that dot will be super bright. A flashlight can wash out the dot at night but if you're not using it as a defensive weapon (or if you have irons to cowitness) that doesn't really matter.




Posted by ODP
Conroe
Member since Oct 2015
1938 posts
Posted on 9/16/18 at 11:43 am to
FYI, Glock g17 gen 5 mos with fcs should be out in October. Academy has them on their site already.
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
51342 posts
Posted on 9/16/18 at 12:26 pm to
If you know how to shoot, you don't need that Christmas tree crap
Posted by Pepperidge
Slidell
Member since Apr 2011
4311 posts
Posted on 9/16/18 at 1:43 pm to
I shoot my 1911's and Sigs just fine...

This one came outta the box with the rear sight misaligned...just pisses me off.

We have a friendly almost IPSC style competition at the range a couple times a month and one of the guys shooting has added an optic to his M&P and it's deadly accurate...I have no intention on modding my 1911's, so I figured I'd try an optic to fix the rear sight issue(in lieu of having to get the rear sight aligned that should have never been that way in the first place.

Posted by jdavid1
Member since Jan 2014
2464 posts
Posted on 9/16/18 at 7:48 pm to
Yeah, because everyone who shoots competition open class don’t use that Christmas tree crap.
Posted by DOPEman
Austin, Tejas
Member since Sep 2018
245 posts
Posted on 9/18/18 at 12:13 pm to
quote:

If putting an optic on (any grade)and a cheaper mount can get me interested in the gun, then I may just reinvest in doing it the right way. But if I dump the gun, I'll still have a possibly good optic to put on another pistol.

no need to get all high and mighty in your post "Bro"


Wasn't trying to be a dick. Was just trying to say if you just want to run a dovetail mount as an experiment or a fun gun then you might as well save some money and get one of the cheaper optic options too. Completely understand wanting to have a good optic for other projects too though.

Like I previously said though of the miniature red dots I've used (rmr,vortex, deltapoint, fastfire, docter) the rmr and more specifically the rmr06 has been my favorite.
Posted by Pepperidge
Slidell
Member since Apr 2011
4311 posts
Posted on 9/18/18 at 6:43 pm to
quote:

Like I previously said though of the miniature red dots I've used (rmr,vortex, deltapoint, fastfire, docter) the rmr and more specifically the rmr06 has been my favorite.



thanks for clearing that up...

what didn't you like about the Delta point( and was it the pro)

I just can't pass up the price point available to me...

And if Carson8675309 had it as one of his top 2, it can't be bad.

also: I can get the reticle in a dot or two different sized triangles...whats the opinion on that?

Thanks again
Posted by DOPEman
Austin, Tejas
Member since Sep 2018
245 posts
Posted on 9/18/18 at 9:39 pm to
Yeah it was a pro. It wasn’t that I necessarily disliked it, I just prefer the smaller footprint of the rmr along with the controls and the housing on the rmr is a little more robust. The glass on the leupy is definitely clearer though. (Not that it makes much of a difference in a handgun)

If I remember right the two moa options on the Deltapoint are like a 2.5 and a 7. Out of those two, I’d go with the 2.5. If it seems too small you can always just crank the brightness up. If you can get a deal on the Leupold I’d probably just go with that, I doubt you’d be disappointed with it for what you’re trying to do.
Posted by Propagandalf
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2010
2528 posts
Posted on 9/18/18 at 9:52 pm to
I feel like most prefer the larger MOA than smaller on a handgun, my self included. If you are going to do it and try it out I would do it the right way and get a slide prefilled or aftermarket milled. They're all the rage and if you don't like it will have no problem selling it. If you halfass with a dovetail mount and cheap sight all you'll know is you don't like the halfass approach.
Posted by DOPEman
Austin, Tejas
Member since Sep 2018
245 posts
Posted on 9/18/18 at 11:51 pm to
quote:

I feel like most prefer the larger MOA than smaller on a handgun,


I’m not trying to come across as rude but “I feel like” is hardly a concrete measurement. If you like the larger dot that’s fine and more power to you but there’s not a single reputable instructor I know of that advocates a larger dot. I can regularly bang standard 4” plates at a 100m with a 3.25 dot, at 7.5 your dot is nearly double the size of the target. It’s a lot easier to turn up the brightness to replicate a larger dot than it is to dim it.

At the end of the day it’s up to personal preference. Some really like xs big dot sights...a lot don’t. A smaller aiming point is always preferable in my opinion as long as it doesn’t interfere with your ability to pick up the sight picture.
Posted by Propagandalf
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2010
2528 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 8:15 am to
Yeah buddy, when I go shoot 100m targets the first thing I grab is my pistol.
Posted by jdavid1
Member since Jan 2014
2464 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 8:37 am to
Posted by SouthernInsanity
Shadows of Death Valley
Member since Nov 2012
18713 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 8:59 am to
Saw some Unity Tactical slides at IG and was interested in the optic cut on the back of the slide, and rear sight now in front of the optic. Very interesting.
Posted by DOPEman
Austin, Tejas
Member since Sep 2018
245 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 9:40 am to
Yeah you right mane, capabilities are dumb. What do I know?
Posted by Propagandalf
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2010
2528 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 10:55 am to
Look sheepdog, if a 3.25 MOA on your pistol is your thing that's perfectly fine if that's what you like, a lot of people do. I wasn't trying to state concrete facts in my previous post, just my mere arbitrary observation, that's why i prefaced it with "I feel like...". If your one gripe about a 6.5 MOA dot on a pistol is your perceived inability for someone to be able to make a 110yd shot with one, that's asinine. Muh "Capabilities"? Pistols are a secondary weapon system designed for close range work. It makes more sense to set it up for what it is going to be used for 99.99% of the time and not an off chance situation where you're called to make a 110yd shot while maintaining legal use of deadly force and an acceptable liability risk for a miss trying to free hand a ~13 inch drop shot under stress. We get you ARFCOM wanders over here a handful of times a year and it always goes the same way. Fire in hot, post about 30 times and then ghost after you realize we see through your bullshite. Can we just fast forward to the end?
Posted by DOPEman
Austin, Tejas
Member since Sep 2018
245 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 12:38 pm to
quote:

that’s fine and more power to you

quote:

At the end of the day it’s up to personal preference. Some really like xs big dot sights...a lot don’t.


I’m not the one you’re looking for man..

What are you even talking about making a use of deadly force shot at a 100m?? Who said anything about that? I’m talking about hitting steel at distance for fun, not stacking rounds in someone’s face hole in the streetz.

Wasn’t attacking you or saying you liking a bigger dot was wrong. Just offering a different opinion and why I feel that way. But please don’t let me get in the way of you trying to assert your TD blue blood status.
This post was edited on 9/19/18 at 1:01 pm
Posted by Pepperidge
Slidell
Member since Apr 2011
4311 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 7:59 pm to
Well frick me...

quote:

Combat Cut using this sight on a Gen5 Glock cannot be performed due to the safety plunger. However, a Race Cut with Forward Dovetail can be performed with this optic.


This applies to basically any of the good optics made...

I guess if I wanted to go more permanent...I may have to wait and maybe put a Glock mos slide on when they come out...if they'll even sell the slide separately...or an aftermarket slide.

i'm not sure what the race cut with a forward dovetail may be...but it looks like a dovetail mount will just have to do for now.

How hard is it to change the front sight to a tritium suppressor sight?

not that I think I will need the co witnessing for my uses
Posted by ODP
Conroe
Member since Oct 2015
1938 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 10:18 pm to
A forward cut is direct milking the rds to rear most of the slide than cutting a new rear sight dive tail just in front of the rds.

Changing the front sight on a Glock is about as easy as it gets.
This post was edited on 9/19/18 at 10:19 pm
Posted by DOPEman
Austin, Tejas
Member since Sep 2018
245 posts
Posted on 9/20/18 at 7:25 am to
Yeah as ODP said it’s just talking about the positioning of the optic on the slide. Not a big deal. You just need a cheap
Front sight post tool and some loctite and you can switch your front sight out in like 45 seconds haha.
Posted by jdavid1
Member since Jan 2014
2464 posts
Posted on 9/20/18 at 7:28 am to
quote:

not excited about the current gun itself enough to invest in those mods


Have you shot a pistol with a red dot? It's not as easy as it looks. It takes a lot of time to really get the feel for it. I know I had a hard time finding the dot for a long time. I don't think a red dot sight is going to "get you interested in the gun". If you don't really like the Glock platform a red dot isn't going to change that.

I know red dots are all the rage right now, but if I were you I would invest in good iron sights, a good trigger, and put a lot of range time in. If you still don't like the Glock after that then sell it to me and go a different route.
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