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Question for those of you with trained labs
Posted on 10/7/20 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 10/7/20 at 12:46 pm
do you keep a toy in the pen with them? I have an 11month old lab i got from trianer a couple months ago. I have refused to put anything in his fenced area except food and water. But feel like he is bored to death. I just didnt want him "playing" with items, then try and play with the bumpers when training. I get him out 30-45mins daily to work. He is so damn wired when i get him out from being penned up all day doing nothing. I just didnt know if leaving toys in the pen would mess up/negate any training. He is in a big area 30x40 ft all day. But nothing really to do but walk around.
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Posted on 10/7/20 at 12:51 pm to oleyeller
Mine is in the house. Always has been
Posted on 10/7/20 at 12:52 pm to oleyeller
Toys won't mess up his training just don't let the toys be bumpers/ducks. He will destroy them in less than a day FYI
Posted on 10/7/20 at 12:54 pm to mylsuhat
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Toys won't mess up his training just don't let the toys be bumpers/ducks. He will destroy them in less than a day FYI
Yea i def wasnt going to use anything that i use to work with. Just wanted to put something out there for him to chew on, toss around, etc. But wanted to make sure it wouldnt negate any training done and confuse him. He is working great riht now, outside of the usually no patience puppy stage.
Posted on 10/7/20 at 12:54 pm to oleyeller
I don't but mine is not in his kennel for extended periods of time. Especially since I work from home full time now. I don't feel it would be an issue to leave a ball or chew toy for him/her though. I would not leave bumpers out so that he/she knows when you break those out, its go time not play time.
Posted on 10/7/20 at 12:55 pm to oleyeller
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just don't let the toys be bumpers/ducks
This. I always had tennis balls and rawhide bones in his own to keep him occupied.
Posted on 10/7/20 at 12:57 pm to ctowntiger
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This. I always had tennis balls and rawhide bones in his own to keep him occupied.
Awesome.. good info guys. Thanks. Ive had labs for 20yrs now, but never a "professionally" trained one. Always had them toys to play with. While they all retrieved, they wasnt formally trained like this one. And i just didnt wana risk messing him up
Posted on 10/7/20 at 1:00 pm to oleyeller
I don't own a lab but I do have a trained hunting dog.
That being said, we play with toys and work with bumpers. We don't play fetch with bumpers/dokkens/dead birds unless it is structured retrieves.
That being said, we play with toys and work with bumpers. We don't play fetch with bumpers/dokkens/dead birds unless it is structured retrieves.
Posted on 10/7/20 at 1:02 pm to oleyeller
quote:What are we talking? Obedience, hunt, etc? I was just curious how far along you are and how far you plan on going? Working toward any titles?
"professionally" trained one
Posted on 10/7/20 at 1:21 pm to Vlad
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What are we talking? Obedience, hunt, etc? I was just curious how far along you are and how far you plan on going? Working toward any titles?
He is a "started" lab
He has all obedience, force fetch, force to pile,force to hold, marks off the gun, works off whistle and voice command. Marks well out to 100yds,steady to shot, runs pattern blinds to 100yds, hunts the area of the fall. He is working on left/right/back casting and multiple pattern blinds. Will double mark, and triple mark. Crate trained. Collar conditioned.. he is by no means a seasoned lab, or perfect. But he should be really good one day. Personally have no desire to do field trials or get titles. The trianer trains for field trials, and the dad to this dog is his personal one which is master hunter and hunter retriever champion. Has 3 generation pedigree with multiple champions. Me personally, i just want a hunting partner, that does what he is supposed to.
Posted on 10/7/20 at 2:17 pm to oleyeller
Probably should work him more then that little bit of time. If not, I would run his arse if it’s possible. Working a few right now, and to blow the steam off I hop in the truck and make them run to the “work areas”. Never ran them farther then 3/4 a mile though, they get conditioned to it after a week.
Edit: twice a day if the afternoon isn’t too hot. If it is too hot they run, light work, then it’s play time with a bumper gun in the lake.
Edit: twice a day if the afternoon isn’t too hot. If it is too hot they run, light work, then it’s play time with a bumper gun in the lake.
This post was edited on 10/7/20 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 10/7/20 at 2:22 pm to oleyeller
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He is so damn wired when i get him out from being penned up all day doing nothing.
I doubt anything is gonna get that out of him other than you playing with him. Play, not work.
Posted on 10/7/20 at 2:41 pm to Outdoorreb
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Probably should work him more then that little bit of time
Im new to it.. the trainer i got him from said 20-30mins is all thats needed at this point daily. That anymore and you are overdoing his excitement/enthusiasm. He is out longer "playing and running around"
Edit - you may just be talking about working him more to have him not so wired up.
This post was edited on 10/7/20 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 10/7/20 at 2:50 pm to ctowntiger
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tennis balls
The vet bill when they eat one of these is staggering. DO NOT give those to them and leave them alone with it.
Posted on 10/7/20 at 2:53 pm to oleyeller
Mine didn't get a toy until he turned 3. He also wasn't allowed off his place unless told until that age. Now he pretty much does whatever the hell he wants in the house, toys, treats, free movement, etc.
But, when I put the training bag on my shoulder, he knows it's work time and his switch flips.
He never "plays' with bumpers, dokkens, or dead birds.
He's 4.5 now and it's night and day.
They learn, but at first it is better to sacrifice and treat them like an inmate almost.
The place training 24/7 for 1-2 yrs is the most crucial imo. It teaches them patience and honoring.
But, when I put the training bag on my shoulder, he knows it's work time and his switch flips.
He never "plays' with bumpers, dokkens, or dead birds.
He's 4.5 now and it's night and day.
They learn, but at first it is better to sacrifice and treat them like an inmate almost.
The place training 24/7 for 1-2 yrs is the most crucial imo. It teaches them patience and honoring.
Posted on 10/7/20 at 3:28 pm to oleyeller
If you want a hunting *partner* you need to build a bond. You do that with play, training, walks, hikes,etc. Have fun with your dog. How is 30-45 min of interaction a day with your buddy going to make for a good partnership?
I have a medium-high drive herding breed. She gets 1-1.5hr off leash walks / play twice a day. Multiple brief training sessions every day (5min max, working on one or two skills)...she looks forward to those sessions, is very pushy and wants to work. Five minutes of heeling or positions or whatever and then she goes back and settles down.
Then 2-4 days a week we have longer sessions. Saturdays are 3 hours of herding, then at least one other class each week (obedience, agility, etc).
The rest of the time she is wherever we are. She is a working partner, my buddy. If all I did was work her 30-45min a day and put her away, she *might* be a tool to get a job done, but she wouldn't be a partner.
I have a medium-high drive herding breed. She gets 1-1.5hr off leash walks / play twice a day. Multiple brief training sessions every day (5min max, working on one or two skills)...she looks forward to those sessions, is very pushy and wants to work. Five minutes of heeling or positions or whatever and then she goes back and settles down.
Then 2-4 days a week we have longer sessions. Saturdays are 3 hours of herding, then at least one other class each week (obedience, agility, etc).
The rest of the time she is wherever we are. She is a working partner, my buddy. If all I did was work her 30-45min a day and put her away, she *might* be a tool to get a job done, but she wouldn't be a partner.
Posted on 10/7/20 at 3:36 pm to shell01
Understand.. guess i just need a tool to get the job done then lol. Between work and a 3 year old. I cant be out longer than 45min to an hr daily with him.
Posted on 10/7/20 at 8:04 pm to oleyeller
Yea, try two sessions of “working” a day at 30 minutes. The problem with trial dogs is that they are wired more so then regular bloodlines of the breed. They are bred to do one thing honestly, and that is pick shite up and bring it back. If you don’t work them enough to exhaust some of the energy it could become problematic. That’s why I said I run them. If I worked them only 30 minutes a day they seem to start getting hardheaded.
I’m also like Shell. I believe there has to be a relation with the dog. It takes longer then that to learn your dog.
I’m also like Shell. I believe there has to be a relation with the dog. It takes longer then that to learn your dog.
Posted on 10/7/20 at 9:00 pm to oleyeller
6x10 is plenty room, no toys, find a training group to help you learn how to drive him, bring him inside for short periods of time with set boundaries. Be clear with what you want him to do, Don’t Nag!!!! Being best friends is way over rated, Be the Alpha not the beotch.
It’s really not hard IF you learn how to read your dog which most haven’t a clue how to do. Make his learning black and white, zero gray.
It’s really not hard IF you learn how to read your dog which most haven’t a clue how to do. Make his learning black and white, zero gray.
Posted on 10/7/20 at 9:20 pm to bbvdd
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Mine is in the house. Always has been
Mine also. I know I’m getting too kind hearted the older I get but to leave a dog in a kennel 23.5 hrs per day without any kind of interaction just seems extreme to me. I drive by two houses on my way to work that have dogs in a side yard kennel that is about 8x10. I go by at all hours and the dogs are always there laying on the ground staring out. I have never seen them out of their pens. I can’t help but think about how my dog would react to that. Down vote away.
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