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re: Offshore Center ConsolePosted by DownshiftAndFloorIt on 4/16/19 at 7:51 am to geauxnc0308
Absolutely not
re: Offshore Center ConsolePosted by Tigah D on 4/16/19 at 7:59 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Not to divert this thread but OP might find it worth thinking on.....the old "must have two outboards" for safety way of thinking. Granted, now it's just cool to have 2, 3, 4 or 5 outboards on a boat, like a real baw.
But I find that with the modern 4-stroke outboard, the reliability has about made this two engine requirement moot.
Think about it, how often are you out in a boat with one of today's modern outboards and it just doesn't start? These aren't the crotchety outboards of the past; they crank every time provided fuel and power feed.
But I find that with the modern 4-stroke outboard, the reliability has about made this two engine requirement moot.
Think about it, how often are you out in a boat with one of today's modern outboards and it just doesn't start? These aren't the crotchety outboards of the past; they crank every time provided fuel and power feed.
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But I find that with the modern 4-stroke outboard, the reliability has about made this two engine requirement moot.
Think about it, how often are you out in a boat with one of today's modern outboards and it just doesn't start?
False. Lower units and power heads still blow all the time.
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False. Lower units and power heads still blow all the time.
All the time? Eh, I've never been off shore fishing and had this happen and I've fished plenty.
There's a ton to worry about, a single engine is perfectly fine. Get a tow boat membership, radio, and SPOT and you are more than covered.
There are plenty of times that twin motors have needed to be towed in also.
re: Offshore Center ConsolePosted by DownshiftAndFloorIt on 4/16/19 at 9:00 am to Tigah D
You'll be downvoted into oblivion and should be. Yes they are much more reliable than years past, but they are still failure prone. Very big ships have been lost due to losing power. The biggest single screw ships are designed so that the engines can run with pistons removed. Very very few boats designed for offshore use, from 20 feet long to 500 feet are designed with single power. Even boats powered by medium speed diesels which are designed for 40,000 hours of continuous running have 2 engines minimum
re: Offshore Center ConsolePosted by baldona on 4/16/19 at 9:03 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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You'll be downvoted into oblivion and should be. Yes they are much more reliable than years past, but they are still failure prone. Very big ships have been lost due to losing power. The biggest single screw ships are designed so that the engines can run with pistons removed. Very very few boats designed for offshore use, from 20 feet long to 500 feet are designed with single power. Even boats powered by medium speed diesels which are designed for 40,000 hours of continuous running have 2 engines minimum
We aren't talking crossing an ocean here. We are talking about what is safe going 25-40 miles offshore in good weather.
Its not unsafe, its not dumb, and its not unreliable to go offshore in a modern single engine boat.
re: Offshore Center ConsolePosted by Mr Wonderful on 4/16/19 at 9:18 am to baldona
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Its not unsafe, its not dumb, and its not unreliable to go offshore in a modern single engine boat.
Your statement is true. So is the following:
It’s safer, smarter, and more reliable to go offshore fishing with at least two engines.
re: Offshore Center ConsolePosted by baldona on 4/16/19 at 9:23 am to Mr Wonderful
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Your statement is true. So is the following:
It’s safer, smarter, and more reliable to go offshore fishing with at least two engines.
Your statement is true, but so is the following:
You are safest to stay at home on the couch.
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Its not unsafe, its not dumb, and its not unreliable to go offshore in a modern single engine boat.
Eh. I agree to an extent.
There are a few situations where losing power on a single outboard could create a dangerous situation. 99 times out of 100 it's probably not an issue, but you won't find me going too far on a single. I've been on enough trips where a lower blows or something else brings one down.
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re: Offshore Center ConsolePosted by GeauxTime9 on 4/16/19 at 9:41 am to CP3
It all depends on the weather and forecast. Also, it depends on the boat and motor you have. For example, I don't like to go without another boat because i have an HPDI that has given me a few problems. I just don't have 100% confidence in it. If i had a newer 4 stroke i wouldn't be as iffy. Also, hot summer days in south Louisiana make me nervous. I have left out of the marina and it be slick and beautiful, then had a afternoon thunderstorm pop up and it be windy and lightning going off everywhere.
re: Offshore Center ConsolePosted by headedwest21 on 4/16/19 at 9:58 am to GeauxTime9
I feel completely safe when we go out on a single outboard. I always take weather into consideration even though I know it can change quickly. Luckily going out of Grand Isle and where we fish there is always other boats.
re: Offshore Center ConsolePosted by DownshiftAndFloorIt on 4/16/19 at 10:01 am to baldona
It's as dumb as the man driving the boat. I'd take mine 10-15 miles out on a good day and it is under 19 feet with an overhauled optimax. I do have DSC/AIS, seatow, and a good bit of "dont do dumb shite" sense though. I'm not getting out of range of help. The whole time I'm out there, im wishing I had a 2nd engine. Worst case, I'll be close enough to troll to something i can tie to.
The gulf gets wild fast sometimes and if you lose power in a squall you wont be out there again with a single engine. If I was buying a boat for going offshore, it would have 2 engines so I wouldnt have to wait for the most crystal clear risk free day to go.
The gulf gets wild fast sometimes and if you lose power in a squall you wont be out there again with a single engine. If I was buying a boat for going offshore, it would have 2 engines so I wouldnt have to wait for the most crystal clear risk free day to go.
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re: Offshore Center ConsolePosted by headedwest21 on 4/16/19 at 10:02 am to GeauxTime9
I feel like you can have a fuel problem or some other problem that would kill both twin engines also. Could be just as dangerous. I would prefer twin engines with a 26’ but situation right now just doesn’t allow
re: Offshore Center ConsolePosted by DownshiftAndFloorIt on 4/16/19 at 10:11 am to headedwest21
Yes its possible. You could also be hit by a meteor. You have to decide where the line is for you. Classed vessels need to have entirely split propulsion systems with the ability to totally isolate on side of the boat from the other. Obviously an ABS classed center console is going to be cost prohibitive, but it will be safe. If that's your priority and you have the money then that might be your line. Conversely you could buy one like that century that was posted earlier and have redundant power but single steering, single fuel system, etc. You just have to think about your past experiences, the advice of others, and how risky you're willing to get to be able to fish offshore on whatever your budget is.
For me, there wasnt shite in the budget so I have a boat that I can take a little ways out on the 2-3 perfect days that I am off a year.
For me, there wasnt shite in the budget so I have a boat that I can take a little ways out on the 2-3 perfect days that I am off a year.
re: Offshore Center ConsolePosted by geauxnc0308 on 4/16/19 at 10:23 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Absolutely not
Absolutely not talking me out of it or absolutely stay away from Ocean Master?
re: Offshore Center ConsolePosted by DownshiftAndFloorIt on 4/16/19 at 10:53 am to geauxnc0308
Not talking you out of it. I don't know anything about oceankaster
It’s all relative. We got the crap beat out of us in a 36 Yellowfin a couple weeks back. A few days before that one of the Mexican Gulf 42 Freemans took one over the bow at the mouth of the river.
If you are gonna run out of Venice , a radar is about as valuable as anything on the boat too due to fog popping up.
If you are gonna run out of Venice , a radar is about as valuable as anything on the boat too due to fog popping up.
re: Offshore Center ConsolePosted by plazadweller on 4/16/19 at 2:20 pm to HDAU
My best friend took his 21’ yellowfin out 20+ miles all the time. I only went 1 time with him and it was fine. If you’re going to go out a lot 26’ or bigger but you need twin engines IMO. Boat salesman will tell you otherwise to sell you a boat but I disagree with them.
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A few days before that one of the Mexican Gulf 42 Freemans took one over the bow at the mouth of the river.
Also factoring into this "just wouldn't start item" is the practice most offshore fishermen use.........don't turn the engines off. Whether you have 1 or 5, still applies. For sake of our discussion, I'd argue all day long that with today's modern outboard, it makes the risk we've discussed (e.g. not starting, fuse/grounding failure, etc.) nearly 99% moot. More about size of your hull being safe for weather contingencies than whether your motor will fire up when key is turned.
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