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dawg23
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More "Proof" of Design Problem in SIG P320
Another example -- never buy a newly designed pistol for self defense. Wait a few years until all the defects have been identified and fixed.

I'm sure the P320 will (someday) be a fine pistol

SIG P320


AlxTgr
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re: More "Proof" of Design Problem in SIG P320
Yeah, it needs that trigger thingie.


upgrayedd
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re: More "Proof" of Design Problem in SIG P320
Is this finally proof that military trials are nothing more than bribery competitions?


Ace Midnight
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re: More "Proof" of Design Problem in SIG P320
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Yeah, it needs that trigger thingie.




You're a lost cause.


AlxTgr
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re: More "Proof" of Design Problem in SIG P320
But it really does!


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geaux7122
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re: More "Proof" of Design Problem in SIG P320
My buddy called sig about this and they told him there is no planned recall. They also told him that the sig p320 is the safest striker fired pistol on the market.


civiltiger07
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re: More "Proof" of Design Problem in SIG P320
When did he call Sig? They released a statement yesterday that they will offer a "voluntary" trigger upgrade program.

bearingarms.com


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ChatRabbit77
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re: More "Proof" of Design Problem in SIG P320
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this finally proof that military trials are nothing more than bribery competitions?

As I have said many times, as someone who has family in the defense contracting business, this is a huge issue as far as tax waste goes.


bapple
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re: More "Proof" of Design Problem in SIG P320
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Yeah, it needs that trigger thingie.


Maybe but that video does not go far enough to show what the trigger is doing.

There are two possible scenarios, one of which has been shown in that YouTube circulated video of it being dropped:

1. The momentum from the gun being dropped causes the trigger to move and allows the striker to move past the breach face, igniting the round.

or

2. The striker block is ineffective at stopping the striker from moving past the breach face during impact.

So is it an issue of the striker block or of the trigger? I've seen two different methods of inducing the firing pin moving without definitive proof of which part of the gun is failing.


upgrayedd
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re: More "Proof" of Design Problem in SIG P320
To me, this asks only 2 questions.

Is the military's "rigorous" testing program completely ineffective?

or

Is this just a glaring example of bribery of top brass?


AlxTgr
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re: More "Proof" of Design Problem in SIG P320
So far, everything points to trigger.


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Ace Midnight
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re: More "Proof" of Design Problem in SIG P320
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So is it an issue of the striker block or of the trigger? I've seen two different methods of inducing the firing pin moving without definitive proof of which part of the gun is failing.


The frightening thing for me is that it might be a "both" situation.

I'm unapologetically #TeamSig - I've owned, handled, fired, probably approaching 60 or 70 different Sig firearms over the years. I tend to stock 5 or 6 classic pistols at any one time. The quality, workmanship, safety and reliability are unlike anything else. Better than Toyota/Lexus for comparison.

So, this is particularly troubling from a company with this reputation. I get they're trying to compete on cost (which cost them the M9 contract back in the day). I get this is a fairly radical design from them. Regardless, these problems from this company are highly unexpected.


AlxTgr
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re: More "Proof" of Design Problem in SIG P320
And to say two different methods is inaccurate, or at least, misleading. It's still force applied to the rear which aligns with momentum of the trigger without a way to stop said trigger.


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bapple
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re: More "Proof" of Design Problem in SIG P320
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So, this is particularly troubling from a company with this reputation.


I think most firearms manufacturers miss the mark once they get in a situation like this with a defective gun.

I feel if the manufacturer were to be honest and go out of its way to help customers that it could do a lot for damage control. Gun owners are some of the most loyal customers to brands they like, most of the time to a fault. If a company was like, "hey we're aware of the problem and will fix it free of charge if you do XYZ..." rather than saying it's a "voluntary upgrade" I think that would help a lot with that company's reputation.

Not pointing any fingers or anything... But in all honesty I hope they are honest and figure a good solution to the problem without having to pretend the problem doesn't exist.


Ace Midnight
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re: More "Proof" of Design Problem in SIG P320
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But in all honesty I hope they are honest and figure a good solution to the problem without having to pretend the problem doesn't exist.


It's the lawyers that drive these types of responses - it's rarely a great outcome for the company from a PR sense. Maybe it makes sense to the accountants and lawyers, though.


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Damone
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re: More "Proof" of Design Problem in SIG P320
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Is this finally proof that military trials are nothing more than bribery competitions

I don't think Glock has given up yet, if this issue balloons up, I could see them swooping in and getting the contract.


bbvdd
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re: More "Proof" of Design Problem in SIG P320
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Damone


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Newington, NH (August 8, 2017) – The P320 meets U.S. standards for safety, including the American National Standards Institute (ANSI) / Sporting Arms Ammunition Manufacturers’ Institute, Inc. (SAAMI®), National Institute of Justice (NIJ), as well as rigorous testing protocols for global military and law enforcement agencies.
The design of the SIG SAUER P320 overcomes the most significant safety concern in striker-fired pistols today: the practice of pressing the trigger for disassembly. This can be performed with a round in the chamber which has resulted in numerous incidents of property damage, physical injury, and death. The disassembly process of the P320, however, uses a take-down lever rather than pressing the trigger, eliminating the possibility of discharge during the disassembly process.
Recent events indicate that dropping the P320 beyond U.S. standards for safety may cause an unintentional discharge.
As a result of input from law enforcement, government and military customers, SIG has developed a number of enhancements in function, reliability, and overall safety including drop performance. SIG SAUER is offering these enhancements to its customers. Details of this program will be available at sigsauer.com on Monday, August 14, 2017.
The M17 variant of the P320, selected by the U.S. government as the U.S. Army’s Modular Handgun System (MHS), is not affected by the Voluntary Upgrade.
“SIG SAUER is committed to our approach on innovation, optimization, and performance, ensuring we produce the finest possible products,” said Ron Cohen, President and CEO of SIG SAUER. “Durability, reliability and safety, as well as end-user confidence in the SIG SAUER brand are the priorities for our team.”
For more information on SIG SAUER, please visit us at sigsauer.com


AlxTgr
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re: More "Proof" of Design Problem in SIG P320
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The M17 variant of the P320, selected by the U.S. government as the U.S. Army’s Modular Handgun System (MHS), is not affected by the Voluntary Upgrade.
Those have a safety. Maybe they should do the same drop/hammer test on one of those?


SouthernInsanity
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re: More "Proof" of Design Problem in SIG P320
I thought I saw something regarding the 320s the military were getting and that those would would have a thumb safety.

To think about most modern MDay soldiers with a pistol of any sort that doesn't have a safety...


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