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Mississippi's Hancock County opposes Mid-Breton Sediment Diversion

Posted on 10/10/19 at 6:52 pm
Posted by WPBTiger
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Posted on 10/10/19 at 6:52 pm
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The Hancock County Board of Supervisors this week launched a new strategy opposing the proposed $800 million Mid-Breton Sediment Diversion, calling it a threat to the Mississippi county’s fisheries resources and recreational and economic development future.


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The board on Monday adopted a resolution asking Mississippi Gov. Phil Bryant to oppose federal permits that Louisiana needs from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to build the diversion on the east bank of the Mississippi River at Will’s Point in Plaquemines Parish.


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But the county supervisors contend that if the diversion had been flowing at its proposed maximum during all of this year’s unusually long high-water period, it would have had an effect just as damaging to fisheries as the opening of the Bonnet Carre Spillway, which has been blamed for killing oysters in Louisiana and Mississippi coastal waters, disrupting commercial fishery catches, and contributing to the killing of hundreds of bottlenose dolphins.


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The resolution pointed out that the spillway poured an estimated 10 trillion gallons of Mississippi River water into Lake Pontchartrain over 123 days this year. It estimated that based on an “operating regime” submitted by the CPRA as part of its permit request to the Corps, the Mid-Breton diversion could have been allowed to stay open at its 75,000-cubic-feet-per-second maximum for more than 200 days between January and July, releasing 9.74 trillion gallons of water into Breton Sound.

Much of that water could reach Chandeleur Sound, the Biloxi Marsh area and the Mississippi Sound, the resolution said, and could cause damage to wildlife resources similar to those caused by the Bonnet Carre diversion opening.
Posted by jimbeam
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Posted on 10/10/19 at 6:58 pm to
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which has been blamed for killing oysters in Louisiana and Mississippi coastal waters, disrupting commercial fishery catches, and contributing to the killing of hundreds of bottlenose dolphins.
here we go
Posted by upgrade
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 10/10/19 at 7:56 pm to
First I’ve heard of the dolphin shite
Posted by Saskwatch
Member since Feb 2016
16527 posts
Posted on 10/10/19 at 9:12 pm to
They found some fricked up dolphins with skin lesions during the influx of fresh water from diversions.
Posted by eng08
Member since Jan 2013
5997 posts
Posted on 10/10/19 at 9:16 pm to
I have family there in bsl.

They have had a pretty high number of dead dolphins this year combined with the algae beach closures and they are mad.

There’s a few professionals angling for jobs / work / contracts that are taking their stance and being very vocal whipping them up even more.

It’s been interesting to watch their full 180 from a few years back when they were looking for a coastal eng contract.
Posted by upgrade
Member since Jul 2011
12958 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 6:51 am to
Downvotes because I never heard dolphins were getting fricked up? Tough crowd.
Posted by duckdude
Member since Apr 2016
392 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 9:00 am to
The fresh water from Bonnie Carre this year was bad for fishing and very bad for a lot of business's. It was in no way close to a normal summer, it was painful and depressing, IMHO.

I'm torn on the issue but mostly I believe we need to try something.

What was the environment like in the Sippi sound before the levee were formed around the river? how did the dolphins survive? Did the algae bloom?

We have to do something to bring back the sediment to rebuild the marsh! Will it be painful? will it be bad for some professions? Probably will but sitting around watching the marsh disappear isn't the answer I don't believe.

If the diversion actually builds marsh like we are told it might be worth the pain?
Posted by duckdude
Member since Apr 2016
392 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 9:10 am to
P.S.

The Dolphin propaganda is ridiculous!!

Posted by ecb
Member since Jul 2010
9324 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 9:10 am to

What was the environment like in the Sippi sound before the levee were formed around the river? how did the dolphins survive? Did the algae bloom?

This is the only logical reply, fk the haters
Posted by marinebioman
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Feb 2005
3396 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 9:41 am to
Well if you're asking how things were back when it was a more natural system, how about we do just that and let the river run where it is supposed to be running. Eastern LA would continue to disappear but south central Louisiana would grow like a mofo.
Posted by mylsuhat
Mandeville, LA
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 10/11/19 at 9:50 am to
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What was the environment like in the Sippi sound before the levee were formed around the river? how did the dolphins survive? Did the algae bloom?

THIS


the oysters, shrimp, trout, etc are there due to man made choking of the river
Posted by duckdude
Member since Apr 2016
392 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 10:01 am to
For the record, I have zero problem with that also but being more realistic is opening a few spots on the south end and see if it helps. If it helps open more.

I just may have to switch to more Bass fishing ?????
But watching the marsh disappear is going to slowly kill the fishing also, along with more hurricane damage.

The marsh has changed so much in just the last 15 years it is literally crazy. I hate watching it disappear.
Posted by marinebioman
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Feb 2005
3396 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 10:06 am to
My main problem is that while these diversions may slow down loss of eastern marsh, letting the river run its course would actually build marsh. I realize its a radical proposal, basically sacrificing the river's importance to New Orleans and Baton Rouge, but if people say they really care about landloss in Louisiana, then actually solve the problem instead of trying to put a bandaid on it.

The bandaid method screws a lot more area up, but like always, the big cities are what officials and politicians care about.
This post was edited on 10/11/19 at 10:08 am
Posted by hawkster
Member since Aug 2010
6227 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 10:12 am to
Double the budget and the size of the water institute and let researchers get rich studying the problem for several more decades. Develop more complex strategies that are increasingly cost-prohibitive and counter-productive and then spend billions more studying those plans.
Posted by redneck
Los Suenos, Costa Rica
Member since Dec 2003
53591 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 10:17 am to
I'll be protesting like it's fricking Hong Kong if they ruin my redfishing in the Biloxi Marsh
Posted by Finchboyz
Choclate city
Member since May 2018
514 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 10:17 am to
The 75,000 cfs that the sediment diversion would use is a fraction of the 1.25 million the spillway allowed. It’s also my understanding the diversions are much more concentrated with the areas they are trying to rebuild. I wouldn’t worry about the trout and dolphins as this area, once they start would be much more isolated and easy for the fish to avoid.

Will the diversions work as intended? I don’t know but at this point they have to try something.
Posted by duckdude
Member since Apr 2016
392 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 10:27 am to
Your reddish in the Biloxi Marsh are fighting a loosing battle as it is. Have you fished redfish in Venice? Seems like they do pretty good down there even though that is where the river dumps now.

Pfifer Key - gone
Brush Island - 80% gone
Door Point Logoon - gone
Camp island - 30% gone
Grassy island - gone

just off the top of my head
This post was edited on 10/11/19 at 10:36 am
Posted by redneck
Los Suenos, Costa Rica
Member since Dec 2003
53591 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 10:39 am to
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Your reddish in the Biloxi Marsh are fighting a loosing battle as it is


I still limit out easily the majority of trips


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Have you fished redfish in Venice?

One time before an offshore charter but our camp is in Bay St.Louis so I'm not dragging the boat anywhere when I can run from the camp and be fishing the Biloxi Marsh in less than 30 minutes
Posted by duckdude
Member since Apr 2016
392 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 10:46 am to
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I still limit out easily the majority of trips


I'm sure the marsh will still be around for your lifetime and maybe another 100 years but it sure seems to have lost a lot just in my lifetime.

My point about Venice was that they have plenty of fresh water and better fishing than we have. Some of it is probably pressure related but the fish do great even with all the river water coming in year round. So why wouldn't our section of the marsh do just as well?
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
19575 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 12:23 pm to
I have been saying from the get go to blow all the levees south of Bellchase.
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