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TheDrunkenTigah
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Mississippi Proposed 2019-20 Deer Regulations
MDWFP May Newsletter

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Public and Private Land

Increase antlerless bag limit to five (5), except remain two (2) in the Southeast Zone.
Bonus tag for hunters that submit a CWD-positive deer during hunting season and choose to relinquish the meat.

Private Land Only

Allow one of three-buck bag limit to be any antlered deer.

WMAs and Open Public Land

Allow antlerless harvest Dec. 2–15 (primitive weapon) on open public lands and certain WMAs. Only youth may harvest sub-criteria antlered deer.


So, restoring doe harvest in the higher density areas of the state, no biggie.

Next, allowing one buck to be any antlered deer statewide, in a state that doesn't use a tag system, all in the name of increasing CWD sampling of that age class seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Some will disagree.

Allowing doe harvest with guns on public land. They seem to have data to back it up so no complaints there.

Here's some comentary and quotes from MDWFP:

Clarion Ledger

On yearling bucks:

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"There's multiple reasons," said Russ Walsh, Mississippi Department of Wildlife, Fisheries, and Parks Wildlife Bureau executive director.

"Two of the reasons are we know young bucks are dispersers. "That's what they do. We know from our data and Tennessee's that yearling bucks can be CWD-positive."

Under current regulations yearling bucks are largely protected by the minimum antler requirements, so that class of deer is underrepresented in the department's testing effort for chronic wasting disease. "In order to get samples from yearling bucks and allow that opportunity we would need to relax the antler criteria in the bag limit," Walsh said.


On increasing doe harvest on public land:

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Two years ago the harvest of does on open public land was reduced to archery season only. Walsh said the proposed regulations would increase that opportunity to include primitive weapon season on open public land and some WMAs.

Walsh explained that spotlights were used to count deer at night to estimate population densities. That data indicated the populations can sustain a limited increase in doe harvests. "We don't want to open it all the way back up," Walsh said. "We want to do it incrementally."



oleyeller
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re: Mississippi Proposed 2019-20 Deer Regulations
live in ms.. all this is useless. Until we get an actual tagging system like midwest, none of this matters. I wish we would go to one soon


WhuckFistle
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re: Mississippi Proposed 2019-20 Deer Regulations
Arkansas has a tagging system that is severely abused. Can check them with your phone or call them in, no more going to the check stations.
I’m sure what they say is the total harvest for the year is way lower than what was actually killed by people who never tag them.


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TheDrunkenTigah
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re: Mississippi Proposed 2019-20 Deer Regulations
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all this is useless


I disagree, it's worse than useless. Presently it's at least a slight deterrent that spikes are illegal, so you have to make an effort to hide it. If this passes every spike you see can be your "one spike" and no way for anyone to know otherwise.


lsu13lsu
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re: Mississippi Proposed 2019-20 Deer Regulations
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I disagree, it's worse than useless.


Agree


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MSWebfoot
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re: Mississippi Proposed 2019-20 Deer Regulations
I think they forgot to mention that license sales are way down and they are trying to do anything to get people to buy them again. They have been pushing the auto renew license pretty hard.
Eta: shooting does during the primative season on public land is a good thing, I think.
This post was edited on 5/14 at 8:02 pm


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cave canem
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re: Mississippi Proposed 2019-20 Deer Regulations
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live in ms.. all this is useless. Until we get an actual tagging system like midwest, none of this matters. I wish we would go to one soon


What possible problem are these tags going to solve?



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weagle99
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re: Mississippi Proposed 2019-20 Deer Regulations
As a bird hunter and former deer hunter it now seems odd to me the efforts made to kill does. For birds most people never want to shoot a hen. I guess they figure the deer population might get too large?
This post was edited on 5/14 at 8:14 pm


jimjackandjose
Member since Jun 2011
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re: Mississippi Proposed 2019-20 Deer Regulations
Shooting does allows for balance in buck doe ratio

Exterminating deer in an area to prevent deer from being exterminated in that area is the most mind boggling concept ive ever heard


Ron Cheramie
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re: Mississippi Proposed 2019-20 Deer Regulations
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live in ms.. all this is useless. Until we get an actual tagging system like midwest, none of this matters. I wish we would go to one soon




why they dont have a deer or turkey tag system is mind boggling louisiana has had one for several years and I thought we were way behind



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Ron Cheramie
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re: Mississippi Proposed 2019-20 Deer Regulations
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Exterminating deer in an area to prevent deer from being exterminated in that area is the most mind boggling concept ive ever heard




they are exterminating deer in a small area to prevent deer from being exterminated in a much larger area


TheDrunkenTigah
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re: Mississippi Proposed 2019-20 Deer Regulations
The spike rule is going to lead to the extermination of deer over a very large area to learn a little bit about the extermination of deer in a very small area.


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jimjackandjose
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That makes sense except prions are in the ground forever.... and the state of Mississippi is not high fenced by the county.

Literally, the midwest has had this for years and the population hasnt been exterminated by the disease

Either, they know it will spread to humans and want to exterminate.. or this is all dumb tactic to manage a problem they dont understand.


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Bigbee Hills
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re: Mississippi Proposed 2019-20 Deer Regulations
Hear hear.

It's time. Just do it already.


cave canem
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pullarius dominus
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re: Mississippi Proposed 2019-20 Deer Regulations
Can anyone explain what possible issue these tags are going to solve or are you just begging for a little more government in in your lives?


oleyeller
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re: Mississippi Proposed 2019-20 Deer Regulations
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Can anyone explain what possible issue these tags are going to solve or are you just begging for a little more government in in your lives?


i can tell you have nevee hunted in the mid west. Having an actual tagging system gives you a shite ton more bigger deer. It stops alot of killing every 4pt, 6pt, 2yr old 8pts that walk out. It stops people from killing multiple bucks, which could be multiple immature bucks. It needs to be done.


TheDrunkenTigah
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re: Mississippi Proposed 2019-20 Deer Regulations
Tagging gives biologists a real time tool to track harvest rates and better manage populations and set bag limits, and allows them more flexibility in establishing zones. Just in the last four years the state has flip flopped back and forth between high and low bag limits on deer based on incomplete data and redrawn the zone lines on basically a hunch. Tagging would allow them to issue more as needed and restrict them in places where density has fallen sharply in smaller areas rather than treating entire quarters of the state the same.

Tagging provides a deterrent to overharvest, and allows more flexibility in what can be taken rather than slapping a ridged antler requirement on an entire block of the state and calling it a day.

All this is accomplished with minimal cost. The biologists to review the tagging data are already on stafff and the state already operates an app to buy licenses and display them.

I don’t understand how anyone can be opposed to a tagging system beyond just being stubborn and set in their ways.


cave canem
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pullarius dominus
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re: Mississippi Proposed 2019-20 Deer Regulations
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i can tell you have nevee hunted in the mid west. Having an actual tagging system gives you a shite ton more bigger deer. It stops alot of killing every 4pt, 6pt, 2yr old 8pts that walk out. It stops people from killing multiple bucks, which could be multiple immature bucks. It needs to be done.


lol, all of that is what you think not what tags actually do.

There is no plan on earth that makes the piney woods prime deer habitat.

There are parts of MS that both rival and surpass anything the midwest has to offer, in fact much of the state is suffering from an overpopulation problem.

While a lot of it is due to the MS river level there is not a blade of grass over 1/4 inch long or a tree leaf left under 6 ft on our farm right now, we do not need more deer.

Tags can not fix any of these issues.



TheDrunkenTigah
Syracuse Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
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re: Mississippi Proposed 2019-20 Deer Regulations
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Tags can not fix any of these issues


They absolutely can. That’s the entire point. Tags enable the state to allow more harvest in some areas and reduce it in others. Wildlife officials have said the first thing they would do is give out more doe tags in pockets of the state where deer density is too high.


duckdude
Alabama Fan
Member since Apr 2016
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re: Mississippi Proposed 2019-20 Deer Regulations
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Tagging gives biologists a real time tool to track harvest rates and better manage populations and set bag limits

Did you know that LA guesses the number are off by 50%. So it's still a very large guess

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Tagging provides a deterrent to overharvest

I believe a very high percentage of tickets handed out from tagging system are more accidental/honest mistakes than "catching poachers"

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All this is accomplished with minimal cost
Very little has been accomplished and much of it is bad data and show me a government contract that is little cost.

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I don’t understand how anyone can be opposed to a tagging system

I don't enjoy the stress of "where are my tags" every 10 minutes. I tend to forget cell phone, forget wallet, forget something important. I don't like being made into a criminal because my tags fell out my bag or were forgotten with my wallet or washed in my clothes or ...

I have seen shows where people are ticked for taking a picture before applying a tag or ticketed for not having a pin on them to fill out the tag if they would have killed something.

The bottom line is more bureaucracy with little to no tangible gain. I much prefer a volantary call in of harvested game, you get all the same info without a lot of the B.S. I also like the turkey program booklet I get every year and fill out all my hunts and harvest and mail in at the end of the year but I don't get a ticket if I leave it at home


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