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Looking for recos. Should I buy into the 6.5 Creedmore hype?
Posted on 9/20/22 at 11:08 am
Posted on 9/20/22 at 11:08 am
I've used the Same Remington model 700 in .30-06 since I got it in the mid 90's when I was 18 or 19. It's been good to me and honestly I really haven't looked into getting a new rifle or done much research into "modern" rounds. I'm not a consistent hunter and typically break out the rifle once or twice a year and put 25 or so rounds through it and make sure it's still zeroed in and I'm still somewhat competent with it.
My son has finally got to the age where he'd like to get started with shooting and eventually hunting. Started looking into capable, flat-shooting rounds with fairly light recoil for him and the 6.5 Creedmore kept coming up.
Figured I'd hit up the board here and see if the round is really worth the hype and see if there are any recommendations that y'all may have otherwise.
My son has finally got to the age where he'd like to get started with shooting and eventually hunting. Started looking into capable, flat-shooting rounds with fairly light recoil for him and the 6.5 Creedmore kept coming up.
Figured I'd hit up the board here and see if the round is really worth the hype and see if there are any recommendations that y'all may have otherwise.
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Posted on 9/20/22 at 11:19 am to RolltidePA
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capable, flat-shooting rounds with fairly light recoil for him and the 6.5 Creedmore kept coming up.
It fits all those criteria well.
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if the round is really worth the hype
Nah. It's reinventing a formula literally as old as smokeless self contained metallic cartridges (6.5x55 swede). That doesn't mean it isn't a great all around caliber, it's just very overhyped as some kind of miraculous laser death ray. It really just used a good sized bullet for deer at reasonable velocities.
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if there are any recommendations that y'all may have otherwise
In 2022 its really difficult to intelligently recommend anything else for a general use deer rifle. Due to the massive popularity, the ammo companies are making shitloads of it. 6.5 Creedmoor and .308, because of their popularity with the tacticool bullet hoarding community, have effectively killed ammo availability for other calibers. Both just happen to be great deer calibers as well.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 11:48 am to RolltidePA
Nothing special about the creed. It is way overhyped.
There are other popular midrange options: 308 Win, 7mm-08 Rem,25-06 Remington, and .260 Remington. There is also the .257 Roberts which to me is about the bare minimum for larger deer.
There are other popular midrange options: 308 Win, 7mm-08 Rem,25-06 Remington, and .260 Remington. There is also the .257 Roberts which to me is about the bare minimum for larger deer.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 11:50 am to RolltidePA
Bought my son (12) a 6.5 Creedmore, I have been way less than impressed on the impact performance on deer. It doesn't have the punch needed, even on well placed shots.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 11:59 am to LSUFootballFANATIC
Buddy of mine has a dog he uses to help people find wounded deer. When they call him to help find one he says he don’t have to ask what caliber the deer was shot with…. automatically knows it’s a 6.5 lol
Posted on 9/20/22 at 12:06 pm to RolltidePA
Do you have a man bun?
Do you have the Grindr dating app?
Do you have the Grindr dating app?
Posted on 9/20/22 at 12:15 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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6.5x55 swede
get the original, more powder, faster bullet, just as accurate for hunting, put it in the chest behind the shoulder - devastating.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 12:16 pm to LSUFootballFANATIC
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It doesn't have the punch needed, even on well placed shots.
^^^ that there. It was designed to punch paper for LR shooting.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 12:17 pm to LSUFootballFANATIC
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doesn't have the punch needed, even on well placed shots.
This is incorrect. You are likely not using the correct ammo for deer hunting. Ignore all the match stuff, long range stuff, tactical stuff.
Shoot regular or premium 140gr or more soft points. Ideally 156's if you can find them.
6.5's have been immensely popular for elk sized game in Europe for a century now. With the right load, it's basically the perfect recipie for deer. And I say this as a dedicated Creedmoor hater.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 12:19 pm to TuckyTiger
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automatically knows it’s a 6.5
Because it's the preferred choice of idiots everywhere, like the 7 mag was in the 90's.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 12:23 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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With the right load, it's basically the perfect recipie for deer. And I say this as a dedicated Creedmoor hater.
This. The biggest problem with the creedmoor is the factory “hunting” ammo that companies choose to load are mostly rebranded target bullets that won’t perform but maintain the highest BC possible.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 12:24 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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7 mag was in the 90's.
The 7mm rem mag is one of the best cartridges there is.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 12:24 pm to RolltidePA
How old is your son and how big is he?
Answer that, first.
If he is 12 on up or a little under and a stout kid, get him a .308. It's a lifetime rifle and ammo is plentiful. There is not a whitetail out there that a .308 won't kill cleanly if shot correctly. I started with a sporterized M1917 30-06 at age 12, and have never regretted beginning even with that round.
If he is under 12 or on the small side, get him a .243 or 7mm-08. Ammo is not as available, but their recoil is generally less than .308, they can be lifetime rifles, or he can graduate to a larger caliber later.
A 30-30 lever gun also wouldn't be a bad first rifle option for a smaller child. My sister still stacks deer with hers. I have offered to buy her a .308 but she flat refuses.
I'm not a ballistics expert, but here is my uneducated theory on the 6.5 Creedmore:
The 6.5 Creedmore was designed as a long range target round. Its BC lends to great penetration and probably over-penetration without expansion at traditional hunting ranges in the South (50-250 yards) and with today's trend in faster rounds. Couple this with folks that may not have a lot of trigger time on the trendy and (relatively) new cartridge, and it has gained the nickname 6.5 Cripplemore.
Answer that, first.
If he is 12 on up or a little under and a stout kid, get him a .308. It's a lifetime rifle and ammo is plentiful. There is not a whitetail out there that a .308 won't kill cleanly if shot correctly. I started with a sporterized M1917 30-06 at age 12, and have never regretted beginning even with that round.
If he is under 12 or on the small side, get him a .243 or 7mm-08. Ammo is not as available, but their recoil is generally less than .308, they can be lifetime rifles, or he can graduate to a larger caliber later.
A 30-30 lever gun also wouldn't be a bad first rifle option for a smaller child. My sister still stacks deer with hers. I have offered to buy her a .308 but she flat refuses.
I'm not a ballistics expert, but here is my uneducated theory on the 6.5 Creedmore:
The 6.5 Creedmore was designed as a long range target round. Its BC lends to great penetration and probably over-penetration without expansion at traditional hunting ranges in the South (50-250 yards) and with today's trend in faster rounds. Couple this with folks that may not have a lot of trigger time on the trendy and (relatively) new cartridge, and it has gained the nickname 6.5 Cripplemore.
This post was edited on 9/20/22 at 8:56 pm
Posted on 9/20/22 at 12:26 pm to RolltidePA
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o you have a man bun? Do you have the Grindr dating app
Do you have a tracking dog?
Just kidding, they are nothing special until you start talking about wind drift and drop out at 500yd which is something most people can’t shoot or have a place to even shoot that far. It hangs with other rounds at long range but does it in a short action cartridge with less powder and recoil.
As for the people claiming that it cripples deer they either can’t shoot or were shooting the wrong ammo.
The abundance of ammo is a plus but is also its downfall! Ol boys walking in with their man bun buying match ammo in fmj or ballistic tip varmit ammo shooting deer at 62yds is why it gets the bad rap.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 12:33 pm to RolltidePA
Get a .243 for him. I have a .270 and .243 which are both perfectly fine for deer. More and more people are coming to realize that the .243 packs quite a punch.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 12:41 pm to Duckhammer_77
There are a several replies here that are just stupid. There is a hate of this round that just doesn't make sense.
The 6.5cm is not a miracle round. Nowhere close. It was hyped and hyped well. It is capable but only if the correct bullets are chosen.
It was so hyped, that there have been a great number of bullets that have been designed to use in the gun. And a lot of them have no business being shot at animals. Sometimes hunters are too damned stupid to read a box a realize that the bullet they are picking are not good for the type of hunting they are doing or for hunting at all.
Hornady ELD-x is the perfect example. It's designed to expand property at longer distances (moving slower). At distances 200 yds and in, the bullet grenades and may not exit.
It is flatter shooting that the .308 but I really don't consider it "flat" shooting. At 600yds the bullet (out of my gun with hand loads pushing a 140 gr bullet at close to 2900fps) drops close to 6 feet.
It is an extremely capable hunting round but like I said, you have to get the right bullets.
There are plenty of capable cartridges that perform similarly. The creedmoor just happens to have a ton of choices in ammo and it's almost always in stock.
If a tracking dog owner ask what type of rifle was used, he's probably tracking for a lot of kids that didn't make a good shot or idiot older hunters that grabbed the a bullet that is made for match and not hunting.
The 6.5cm is not a miracle round. Nowhere close. It was hyped and hyped well. It is capable but only if the correct bullets are chosen.
It was so hyped, that there have been a great number of bullets that have been designed to use in the gun. And a lot of them have no business being shot at animals. Sometimes hunters are too damned stupid to read a box a realize that the bullet they are picking are not good for the type of hunting they are doing or for hunting at all.
Hornady ELD-x is the perfect example. It's designed to expand property at longer distances (moving slower). At distances 200 yds and in, the bullet grenades and may not exit.
It is flatter shooting that the .308 but I really don't consider it "flat" shooting. At 600yds the bullet (out of my gun with hand loads pushing a 140 gr bullet at close to 2900fps) drops close to 6 feet.
It is an extremely capable hunting round but like I said, you have to get the right bullets.
There are plenty of capable cartridges that perform similarly. The creedmoor just happens to have a ton of choices in ammo and it's almost always in stock.
quote:The swede isn't faster. Period. There isn't a production round (In 6.5 swede) out there that is faster than the creedmoor with the same bullet.
get the original, more powder, faster bullet,
If a tracking dog owner ask what type of rifle was used, he's probably tracking for a lot of kids that didn't make a good shot or idiot older hunters that grabbed the a bullet that is made for match and not hunting.
This post was edited on 9/20/22 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 9/20/22 at 12:51 pm to RolltidePA
Got one and used it for 2 years. Fun round..shoots flat, no recoil. Had less than ideal results on deer. I went back to my 308. If looking for a kid, get the 7mm-08 reduced recoil rounds.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:04 pm to LSUFootballFANATIC
quote:You have to let the deer get 800yds or so away before the 6.5 really shines.
Bought my son (12) a 6.5 Creedmore, I have been way less than impressed on the impact performance on deer. It doesn't have the punch needed, even on well placed shots.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:08 pm to RolltidePA
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6.5 Creedmore
Kills deer as dead as any other hunting projectile.
My son has several on his wall that stood in front of the 6.5cm. I use it and we’ve never had to track one.
It does nothing better than any other hunting bullet designed for medium/big game. If someone is using match projectiles on game, they are not very informed.
Barnes ttsx, Hornady eldx, Federal Fusion are my favorites.
I’m not fond of recoil, so the 6.5 suits me fine.
Seems like those who hate it, like to tell you how they are tired of hearing how great it is…but they are the only folks saying that. My safe contains .223, 243, 30/30, 6.5cm, .308 and 30-06.
They’ve all put meat in my freezer (except 223, never used it).
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:09 pm to White Bear
i love all the louisiana hunters talking about rounds capable of 800 yard shots and saying they dont have enough punch.
the aver LA hunter shoots 150yards and in.
Is there anything special about the 6.5 probably not. it is just the new scientific round due to its coefficient of drag. But it popularity sure makes it to where it isnt going anywhere.
Just like there isnt anything special with any other round people have posted in this thread. get what you like and frick anyone else to that talks shite about it because you can find shite on what ever else they are peddling.
the aver LA hunter shoots 150yards and in.
Is there anything special about the 6.5 probably not. it is just the new scientific round due to its coefficient of drag. But it popularity sure makes it to where it isnt going anywhere.
Just like there isnt anything special with any other round people have posted in this thread. get what you like and frick anyone else to that talks shite about it because you can find shite on what ever else they are peddling.
This post was edited on 9/20/22 at 1:10 pm
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