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re: Hunting arrow setup info
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:29 am to beHop
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:29 am to beHop
That’s so minute, I doubt you’d ever see a noticeable difference. If you were shooting it from a hooter shooter with zero wind and everything else about every arrow was identical, maybe you’d see a difference. Another thing to think about, is the point of the broadhead dead center. You’d hope so but that can be off just slightly as well.
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Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:52 am to stein_burgundy
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Another thing to think about, is the point of the broadhead dead center.
If it isn't, there's nothing I can do about it with it being a solid one piece of steel. The inserts are epoxied in as well.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 10:06 am to beHop
figured i would just ask in here instead of starting a new thread.
What releases are yall using? I like the trigger style with the wrist strap. I've been using a cheap one from academy, time to upgrade i think
What releases are yall using? I like the trigger style with the wrist strap. I've been using a cheap one from academy, time to upgrade i think
Posted on 3/6/20 at 10:36 am to Theboot32
I was using a trigger release but switched to a thumb release that I use like a back tension.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 11:05 am to Theboot32
Fang 3 thumb release but would like to go to a two finger. Just haven’t decided which one. Hard to pick one without feeling it first. I like being able to hang it on the d loop and having my hands free.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 11:13 am to beHop
I’ve been doing a lot of research on FOC and the advantage to a heavier arrow. I’ve decided to transition to a higher FOC setup with a cut on contact this summer.
I am leaning towards the Black Eagle Carnivore 300 spine cut to 29” with a 100 gr. insert and 125 grain Magnus black hornet. This will give me a total arrow weight of 521 grains and FOC of 15.5%
My bow setup is a Mathews Triax, 29” draw and 67-69# draw.
I’m not wanting to get terribly heavy because I would like to keep a good trajectory for 45-50 yard shots. My previous arrow setup was about 8.0% FOC at 402 grains total weight.
I’m hoping to get a fairly dramatic improvement with the increased FOC. Do you think that’s enough?
I am leaning towards the Black Eagle Carnivore 300 spine cut to 29” with a 100 gr. insert and 125 grain Magnus black hornet. This will give me a total arrow weight of 521 grains and FOC of 15.5%
My bow setup is a Mathews Triax, 29” draw and 67-69# draw.
I’m not wanting to get terribly heavy because I would like to keep a good trajectory for 45-50 yard shots. My previous arrow setup was about 8.0% FOC at 402 grains total weight.
I’m hoping to get a fairly dramatic improvement with the increased FOC. Do you think that’s enough?
Posted on 3/6/20 at 5:25 pm to Jack Daniel
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Do you think that’s enough?
Man that’s such a subjective thing. Can you kill a deer with 400 grains? Yep. Every time? I don’t know. 500 grains improve your odds? Yep. Is it too much? Not in my opinion. Is it “overkill”? Maybe. Do I give a shite that people will tell me I’m wasting my time chasing these weights? Nope. I’ve seen what 500 grains will do. It takes out whitetails with extreme prejudice. Now I want to see what I can do if my bow shot placement is less than perfect. If I screw up and catch a shoulder joint, I want to be sure it’s getting to the other side. 650 all but guarantees it. So I’m going to run 667ish this season. I think you’ll find that all of the benefits of a heavier build outweigh all of the “advantages” a lighter built arrow.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 5:38 pm to beHop
I guess what I meant was, do you think going from 8% to 15.5% FOC is a big enough increase to see results?
When I see “high FOC” mentioned it’s usually +20%
When I see “high FOC” mentioned it’s usually +20%
Posted on 3/6/20 at 5:52 pm to Jack Daniel
Yes. I think you’ll see a dramatic improvement with that jump. Just think if you took it a bit further though... 
Posted on 3/6/20 at 7:22 pm to Jack Daniel
I set up some gold tip platinum pierce.
My draw length is 29.5 I'm shooting a 28 inch arrow.. at 75lbs..
I had to bump up to 250 spine arrows to run 120 ethics insert/ outsert. And 125 grain iron wills.. 550 grain total.
I also built some gold tip hunters 250 spine at 695 grains to shoot hogs this summer.. I want to do my own research on heavy arrows..
platinums at 20% foc and hunters are 18%..
Overall they fly a lot better with fixed heads then my fast arrows did..
I need to set up my crono and do some speed testing but I've been on a shutdown on nights for the last 3 months..
My draw length is 29.5 I'm shooting a 28 inch arrow.. at 75lbs..
I had to bump up to 250 spine arrows to run 120 ethics insert/ outsert. And 125 grain iron wills.. 550 grain total.
I also built some gold tip hunters 250 spine at 695 grains to shoot hogs this summer.. I want to do my own research on heavy arrows..
platinums at 20% foc and hunters are 18%..
Overall they fly a lot better with fixed heads then my fast arrows did..
I need to set up my crono and do some speed testing but I've been on a shutdown on nights for the last 3 months..
This post was edited on 3/6/20 at 7:25 pm
Posted on 3/6/20 at 8:14 pm to GATORGAR247
What vanes are you running? I just got some AAE hybrids to play with and not sure I like them just yet. Shot a few today in some pretty high, swirling winds and they were all over the place compared to a blazer.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 8:28 pm to beHop
On the hunters 3 inch shield cut vane tech 3 fletch.
On the platinum arrows I'm using 1.75 q2i fusion x2 4 fletch. I'm still testing but these seem to stabilize the broadhead well so far.. and they are 4 grains each If I remember correctly.
On the platinum arrows I'm using 1.75 q2i fusion x2 4 fletch. I'm still testing but these seem to stabilize the broadhead well so far.. and they are 4 grains each If I remember correctly.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 8:43 pm to GATORGAR247
I’ve yet to try a 4 fletch. Haven’t really experienced a whole lot of bad broadhead flight. That may change though with the switch to the single bevel. Gonna try to do some shooting this weekend if the weather/wife cooperate.
This post was edited on 3/6/20 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:11 pm to beHop
I'm experimenting with the 4 fletch to try and get away with shorter vanes. I bought a bitzenburger fletch jig a few weeks ago so it's easy to try different things..
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:38 pm to GATORGAR247
Yep. Tinkering is half the fun.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 7:41 am to beHop
Here is the Cutthroat 200, FP fletched, and bareshaft at 20 yards. I’ll test out longer distances later, but this is very promising. The bareshaft looks crooked only because the target moved so much with the first two shots. It’s dead nuts at 7 yards out to 20. As is, this setup is a touch heavier than expected since the AAEs are a touch heavier than blazers and the CT is like 202. Going to be around 671 TAW. It’s unbelievably quiet and hits like a damn light pole thrown out of a tornado.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 8:59 pm to beHop
Looks good..
I went down the rabbit hole of bare shaft tuning. I finally put my bow in the vice . Leveled it and plumbed it. Then reset my center shot to 13/16 and raised my nock point to 1/8 high. Which is what the mathews guys says to shoot for with the vertix..
I went out and sighted my field points. Then shot a broadhead at 20 and 40 yards. I moved the rest a tiny bit and my bh and field points are now touching.
I then shot bare shafts and they hit 4 inches right of my others.. I'm not moving anything around since my bh and field points hit the same place..
I went down the rabbit hole of bare shaft tuning. I finally put my bow in the vice . Leveled it and plumbed it. Then reset my center shot to 13/16 and raised my nock point to 1/8 high. Which is what the mathews guys says to shoot for with the vertix..
I went out and sighted my field points. Then shot a broadhead at 20 and 40 yards. I moved the rest a tiny bit and my bh and field points are now touching.
I then shot bare shafts and they hit 4 inches right of my others.. I'm not moving anything around since my bh and field points hit the same place..
This post was edited on 3/7/20 at 9:00 pm
Posted on 3/8/20 at 6:31 am to GATORGAR247
Shoot it at 7 yards. What does it do?
ETA: You’re not wrong, but I would’ve done that in reverse, starting with bareshaft. If you do that first and get it right, you’ll have fp,bh, and bs stacking in short order. Also, adjusting further won’t affect where your broadheads and FPs go at this point. You’re either tuned or you’re not. Sounds like a micro rest adjustment will bring that bareshaft in with the others. Get them all hitting the same POI then move your sight accordingly. Is your BS hitting perfectly straight?
ETA: You’re not wrong, but I would’ve done that in reverse, starting with bareshaft. If you do that first and get it right, you’ll have fp,bh, and bs stacking in short order. Also, adjusting further won’t affect where your broadheads and FPs go at this point. You’re either tuned or you’re not. Sounds like a micro rest adjustment will bring that bareshaft in with the others. Get them all hitting the same POI then move your sight accordingly. Is your BS hitting perfectly straight?
This post was edited on 3/8/20 at 6:55 am
Posted on 3/8/20 at 1:27 pm to beHop
I think I need to move the top hats to move my cam over. I tried micro adjusting the rest but got no change in the bareshaft. I nock tuned and insert tuned the arrows. The bareshaft are straight in the target.. I'm ordering a top hat kit today..
I originally had everything set as far as center shot etc. It just got too far out of wack for me while trying to be tune. so I returned everything to spec. That's what makes me think I need to move the cams .
I originally had everything set as far as center shot etc. It just got too far out of wack for me while trying to be tune. so I returned everything to spec. That's what makes me think I need to move the cams .
This post was edited on 3/8/20 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 3/8/20 at 2:35 pm to GATORGAR247
I gotcha. Tuning a Mathews is foreign to me. Wish I knew more about them, just never owned one. My Realm X is a yoke system and almost idiot proof.
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