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Honolulu police tell legal marijuana users to turn in their firearms
Posted on 11/30/17 at 8:42 am
Posted on 11/30/17 at 8:42 am
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The Honolulu Police Department has told legal marijuana users who own guns that they must turn in their weapons within 30 days.
In a letter to about 30 medical marijuana card holders on Oahu, the police said “you have 30 days upon receipt of this letter to voluntarily surrender your firearms.”
Police have been sending the letters since at least January.
One letter was signed by Susan Ballard, the new chief of police, and dated Nov. 13.
“Your medical marijuana use disqualifies you from ownership of firearms and ammunition,” the letter said.
In the letter, Ballard cites Hawaii Revised Statutes, Section 134-7 (a) as the reason for the move. That section reads: “No person who is a fugitive from justice or is a person prohibited from possessing firearms or ammunition under federal law shall own, possess, or control any firearm or ammunition therefor.”
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Posted on 11/30/17 at 8:52 am to wickowick
There is no such thing as a "legal" marijuana user.... every single person who uses "legal" marijuana is breaking federal law.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 8:53 am to wickowick
that is some shite. Imagine if the cops came around telling us because we have jimbeam in our cabinet that means we can't also have guns.
There would be a war.
There would be a war.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 9:01 am to Chuker
Would be bullshite, but also a good excuse to chug Jim Beam.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 9:41 am to wickowick
it sounds like it would be easy to lose your firearms in a boating accident in hawaii
Posted on 11/30/17 at 9:42 am to dfintlyHmmrd
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every single person who uses "legal" marijuana is breaking federal law.
And that federal law is utter horseshite.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 9:49 am to dfintlyHmmrd
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There is no such thing as a "legal" marijuana user.... every single person who uses "legal" marijuana is breaking federal law.
Yeah, that's likely the reasoning behind this law. However, LE in HI doesn't give a rat's arse about weed use, so this is an obvious gun grab.
That being said, the fact that weed is still illegal in the 21st century is a crime in and of itself.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 12:05 pm to wickowick
2ndamendment violation...gun confiscation
NRA will be along shortly
NRA will be along shortly
Posted on 11/30/17 at 12:45 pm to wickowick
BUY a hi pernt for $50 at pawn shop and turn it in then you are off the door knock list.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 12:52 pm to Chuker
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There is no such thing as a "legal" marijuana user.... every single person who uses "legal" marijuana is breaking federal law.
The hippies can downvote you all they want, and personally I think weed should be legal...however this is correct.
18 U.S.C. § 992(d)(3)
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(d) It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person—
(3) is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802))
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that is some shite. Imagine if the cops came around telling us because we have jimbeam in our cabinet that means we can't also have guns. There would be a war.
Jim Beam is not a controlled substance
21 U.S. Code § 802
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(6) The term “controlled substance” means a drug or other substance, or immediate precursor, included in schedule I, II, III, IV, or V of part B of this subchapter. The term does not include distilled spirits, wine, malt beverages, or tobacco, as those terms are defined or used in subtitle E of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986.
Also, there won't be a Civil War-esque fight when the government takes our guns. One only has to look at California as a case study to see their strategy. Not a single shot fired over a good portion of their rights stripped. You're not goint to wake up one morning to the army/police rounding up all the guns. They will instead continue to slowly chip away at 2A through legislation until it is all gone. Lawful citizens will slowly have to make a choice to either be a crimminal with certain guns, magazines, firearm features, etc. or give them up to stay law-abiding citizens. This is why it is important to always oppose any further infringement on 2A, even if its over something as stupid as a bump stock. So, if you're looking for the war on guns, you're in the middle of it, brother. It's not going to be a fire fight with your AR-15 from your front porch, it's fought in every legislature across the country with rhetoric and a pen.
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Posted on 11/30/17 at 1:25 pm to wickowick
It's a bluff. If there was a penalty associated with not turning them in it would be stated.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 1:25 pm to Propagandalf
Dilly dilly
Posted on 11/30/17 at 1:34 pm to Propagandalf
How are people on this board down voting that post?
Posted on 11/30/17 at 2:27 pm to wickowick
Why even get a card then?
There's so much pot on the islands it's ridiculous.
There's so much pot on the islands it's ridiculous.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 5:06 pm to Propagandalf
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Jim Beam is not a controlled substance
But, penicillin is a controlled substance. Heart meds, arthritis meds, the list goes on and on, ask yer doctor!
Gonna start taking guns from everyone who has a script? Go ahead and try taking the gun from a woman with birth control script on the placebo week.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 5:10 pm to Propagandalf
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(d) It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person—
(3) is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802))
The Hawaii MMJ patients are not selling or disposing of firearms to users of a controlled substance. They are being penalized as users of a controlled substance in possession of firearms. 18 U.S.C. § 992(d)(3) doesn't really apply in this situation.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 6:03 pm to BigDawg0420
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The Hawaii MMJ patients are not selling or disposing of firearms to users of a controlled substance.
My fault, keep scrolling down the code, 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(1-9) list the same criteria as the previously quoted 18 U.S.C. § 992(d)(1-9) and is specifically addressing individuals prohibited from posessing firearms and ammunition under federal law.
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But, penicillin is a controlled substance. Heart meds, arthritis meds, the list goes on and on, ask yer doctor!
Shits weak, within the Controlled Substances Act there is obviously exceptions to medicine dispensed or prescribed by a practitioner. Unfortunately, the federal government does not provide the same exceptions to pot, heroin, coke, meth, etc. etc.
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Gonna start taking guns from everyone who has a script? Go ahead and try taking the gun from a woman with birth control script on the placebo week.
If they have it their way they'll take them however they can get them.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 7:24 pm to Propagandalf
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the federal government
This is not an action by the Feds. The HI state PD or Honolulu City PD is doing this. They are selectively enforcing Federal Drug Law while selectively ignoring Fed Immigration Law simultaneously.
So, the legal users under state law are being denied 2A Constitutional Rights using Fed Drug Law applied by the State or City. Interadasting!
Posted on 11/30/17 at 8:01 pm to Sidicous
first off, I'm in no way supporting what they are doing. I'm just simply pointing out how they are able to do so. They're not selectively enforcing drug law...they are not enforcing aspects of drug law and choosing to enforce all aspects of the GCA, which is not shocking for them. I never said this was action by the feds, although it is because it's federal law, but they are using the laws at hand to further their agenda.
Just for the record as far as the federal govt is concerned they are not legal users. Again, I think it should be legal, but as it stands, a state refusing the prosecute doesn't make it legal in the US.
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So, the legal users under state law are being denied 2A Constitutional Rights using Fed Drug Law applied by the State or City. Interadasting!
Just for the record as far as the federal govt is concerned they are not legal users. Again, I think it should be legal, but as it stands, a state refusing the prosecute doesn't make it legal in the US.
This post was edited on 11/30/17 at 8:05 pm
Posted on 11/30/17 at 8:10 pm to wickowick
I'd venture that a person who smokes "legal" weed is less likely to use a gun for violence. Chill brah. Aloha.
Part of my solution to prison violence is free weed for inmates who follow the rules. The fighting and lots of other shenanigans would stop.
Part of my solution to prison violence is free weed for inmates who follow the rules. The fighting and lots of other shenanigans would stop.
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