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Help answer these questions I have about guns so I can be more informed about gun debate
I don't know much about firearms, so I have some questions that maybe you guys can answer.

I have heard people try to differentiate between "assault weapons" and other rifles before, and they'll say things like:

Assault weapons have collapsible stocks, extended magazines, can use bump stock, etc.

My question is, are there deer hunting rifles with these features? Can you add a 30 round magazine to a deer hunting rifle?

What is the advantage to a collapsible stock for an "assault rifle".

Do people hunt with "assault rifles" like the AR-15?



Basically, I'm looking for a clear picture of what the similarities and differences are between common assault rifles and hunting rifles are.
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re: Help answer these questions I have about guns so I can be more informed about gun debate
The Truth about Assault Weapons

Start here the link is a slideshow and does a good job of explaining the differences between assault rifles, ARs and other guns.


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The Truth about Assault Weapons

Start here the link is a slideshow and does a good job of explaining the differences between assault rifles, ARs and other guns.


Have an upvote.


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Start here the link is a slideshow and does a good job of explaining the differences between assault rifles, ARs and other guns.
I knew virtually everything in that slideshow already.

I'm more curious about the rifles people commonly use to hunt deer and such.

Are there deer hunting rifles that have 30 round magazines, for example. What are the differences between a popular semi-auto deer hunting rifle and the AR-15 as far as ammunition and power goes?

In other words, can the gun-control advocates differentiate a hunting rifle from an "assault weapon" no matter how minor the differences? Or are there examples of hunting rifles with the features of an "assault weapon" that renders their differentiation between the two moot?
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Well most states limit the magazine size while hunting. But a magazine can be made as big as you want really. Just not a market for 30 round .30-06 mags for browning BAR’s or other semi autos.

Collapsable stocks are good for fitting a wide variety of shooters, or if a shooter wears something that is bulky. Like a bullet proof vest.

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In other words, can the gun-control advocates differentiate a hunting rifle from an "assault weapon" no matter how minor the differences? Or are there examples of hunting rifles with the features of an "assault weapon" that renders their differentiation between the two moot?


No
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Normally deer hunters have 4-5 rounds in the rifle, normallyrhis is for weight reduction and maneuverability. Hunting rounds are normally much larger and more powerful than the 5.56 round. Very few people deer hunt with the 5.56 round because it isn’t powerful enough


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But a magazine can be made as big as you want really. Just not a market for 30 round .30-06 mags for browning BAR’s or other semi autos.
But do these magazines exist? Or is it something that has to be custom made?

Also, I was reading people going back and forth about this topic, and someone mentioned there are no magazines for deer hunting rifles. This didn't sound correct to me, but I'm ignorant about the actual workings of different types of guns. What about detachable magazines? How common is that with hunting rifles?
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There are many deer hunting rifles that take and require magazines to use.


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Some do. Like AR-10 or mini-30’s.

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Also, I was reading people going back and forth about this topic, and someone mentioned there are no magazines for deer hunting rifles. This didn't sound correct to me, but I'm ignorant about the actual workings of different types of guns. What about detachable magazines? How common is that with hunting rifles?


Whoever said that is wrong. Detachable mags are extremely common in hunting rifles.


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Or are there examples of hunting rifles with the features of an "assault weapon" that renders their differentiation between the two moot?


I deer hunt with an AR that has enough punch to kill a deer or hog. A standard AR in 5.56 does not. However, my AR would be an assault rifle to the average citizen.


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Not much need for a 30 round magazine for deer hunting. It is more about practicality. You typically aren't going to need to shoot more than a couple times when deer hunting unless you are doing some type of nuisance eradication. Typical deer hunting requires 4-5 rounds. Someone hog hunting may want a 30 round magazine to kill a herd of them as quickly as possible.

My brother did shoot 7 times once before he actually hit the deer. Deer kept coming back. It was the weirdest thing.


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My question is, are there deer hunting rifles with these features? Can you add a 30 round magazine to a deer hunting rifle?


You mean like a bolt-action rifle? Yes, any rifle that accepts, or can be made to accept, a detachable box magazine has the capability to have as large a magazine capacity as the owner could want. 30 rounds of .30-06 would be a real pain in the arse to haul around and would compromise the balance of the rifle though.

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Assault weapons have collapsible stocks, extended magazines, can use bump stock, etc.


Can drop a Remington 700 action into a chassis system with a folding or collapsible stock. Can run AICS mags for increased capacity.


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Do people hunt with "assault rifles" like the AR-15?


Yes, very often. The AR-15 platform has dozens of calibers available. Then there's the AR-10 platform and custom variants that can chamber .30-06, .300 Winchester Magnum, .338 Lapua, .270 Winchester, 7mm Mag, etc.

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Basically, I'm looking for a clear picture of what the similarities and differences are between common assault rifles and hunting rifles are.


There is no clear delineation. As shown you can buy a semi-automatic rifle chambering a cartridge capable of taking any game on this continent, is perfectly suitable for hunting, and would meet the arbitrary definition of the currently proposed assault weapons ban.

As it is currently written, a Beretta semi-auto shotgun would fail the 1-feature test if loaded with 12ga mini-shells.
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I deer hunt with an AR that has enough punch to kill a deer or hog. A standard AR in 5.56 does not.


That’s not correct. I know at least one guy that started his kids deer hunting with AR-15’s in 5.56. They are 3 for 3 on takin deer. They did take shoots within 100yds.
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I deer hunt with an AR that has enough punch to kill a deer or hog. A standard AR in 5.56 does not. However, my AR would be an assault rifle to the average citizen.
This made me think of another question. AR is the type of rifle and not a brand, correct? Do different brands make ARs? And this type of rifle also comes in different calibers?


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Good info. That answered some of my questions. I know very little about guns right now and this is helpful.


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It’s good that someone is asking these questions- most people don’t.

An AR is basically a modular rifle. That’s really it. The semiautomatic action is not really anything different from semiautomatic hunting rifles, and therein lies the problem IMO.

If you are going to ban or restrict something you need to define it. Restricting a rifle because you can change the stock to a different one makes no sense. The stock being shorter, or longer, or able to fold so the gun can be stored in a smaller space has no bearing on lethality. Same thing with most of the other ‘defining characteristics’. A pistol grip?! So what. You can buy turkey guns off the rack with that. What difference does it make?

The caliber of the ‘typical’ AR 15 is a considerably smaller round than most hunting rounds. It is marginally adequate for deer.

Many hunting rifles require detachable magazines. Those usually hold 5 rounds or less but it isn’t hard to find 10 round magazines. Not much market for more than that because it simply isn’t useful in the field.
At the range, not having to reload is a huge benefit but folks don’t often shoot 30,50,100 rounds of hunting calibers. .223 is a light enough load that you can shoot a lot more.

Defining what separates these guns from others is pretty hard. Hell, even the detachable stock thing makes little sense ( even aside from the fact that it seems irrelevant). Both of my 12 gauge duck guns have removable stocks that I can adjust for length and for the angle at which they sit.
What’s the difference?

If there was anything at all that made logical sense it would be a magazine size restriction. But even that is going to affect people going out to shoot for fun way more than it will be a benefit in a mass shooting situation. Magazine changes are pretty quick and simple to do. With a couple of days of practice it is likely that the decrease in the number of shots an assailant could get off in the typical timeframe of these events would be negligible at best.


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Assault weapons have collapsible stocks,
Square is a rectangle type of deal. Original m16s and even current models to my knowledge have fixed stocks. Are these less deadly than M4s that have collapsibles? What about M14s that don't even have pistol grips? And shoots much larger ammo
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This made me think of another question. AR is the type of rifle and not a brand, correct?

In popular media the term "AR" is used to represent a rifle that has certain features. However AR actually stands for Armalite Rifle. Armalite was the company who originally created the design and then end up selling it to colt. While it is a different owner, Armalite as a company still exist today. In fact I own one of their rifles. So technically to answer that part of your question, it is both.

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Do different brands make ARs?

Yes. In today's age many many companies make this style of rifle. Pretty much every major gun company has their own version, plus dozens of smaller companies that specialize in modern sporting rifles(ARs).

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And this type of rifle also comes in different calibers?

While certain calibers are more common(5.56x45, 7.62x39, 7.62x54), you can pretty much get one in any caliber.


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As the other person stated it is good that people ask questions. To me, this whole thing is about perception.....period! Pick an AR-15 platform...regardless of manufacturer, regardless of add-ons and whatnot. Pick a similar or even same caliber traditional rifle. People are scared of what looks the scariest based on what they are shown, movies, media, etc...

There are many rifles that are far more powerful and do more damage than a .223 or even a .308 round but it depends on what it looks like. Does it look like an assault rifle..military rifle.

Let's not forget...a .223 is still a 22 caliber projectile just a different casing and load. Just my 2 cents but kudos again on asking. This will be ongoing regardless forever IMO!


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Damn fine link wick...must read


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