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Guns of America gets it's day in court regarding bump stocks...
Posted on 3/8/19 at 8:06 am
Posted on 3/8/19 at 8:06 am
started a thread on it over at the poliboard. go check it out.
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/guns-of-america-gets-it-day-in-court-regarding-bump-stocks/82383443/
sounds like good news for us that bought them. i guess we'll see what the judge says.
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/guns-of-america-gets-it-day-in-court-regarding-bump-stocks/82383443/
sounds like good news for us that bought them. i guess we'll see what the judge says.
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Posted on 3/8/19 at 9:21 am to finchmeister08
Good to see this is getting challenged.
While I likely will never spend money on a novelty item like a bump stock, I don’t support the banning of them for the simple fact of legal precedent. The wording of the law is written as such that there is an arbitrary acceptable “firing rate” and that bump stocks turn a semi automatic firearm into a “machine gun.” It also does not call out the act of bump firing that can be done with anything under the sun since you are simply harnessing the recoil of the firearm to reset the trigger. It would mean that by bump firing your gun you have turned it into a fully automatic one.
And by this definition, nearly every semi automatic firearm in existence (about 90-95% of guns out there) will be open for banning.
It’s simply a stepping stone to the next big push and should be treated as such.
While I likely will never spend money on a novelty item like a bump stock, I don’t support the banning of them for the simple fact of legal precedent. The wording of the law is written as such that there is an arbitrary acceptable “firing rate” and that bump stocks turn a semi automatic firearm into a “machine gun.” It also does not call out the act of bump firing that can be done with anything under the sun since you are simply harnessing the recoil of the firearm to reset the trigger. It would mean that by bump firing your gun you have turned it into a fully automatic one.
And by this definition, nearly every semi automatic firearm in existence (about 90-95% of guns out there) will be open for banning.
It’s simply a stepping stone to the next big push and should be treated as such.
Posted on 3/8/19 at 10:42 am to bapple
Don't give the bastards an inch.
We all know their end goal. Why compromise at all?
Do you think they'll ever give an inch back?
We all know their end goal. Why compromise at all?
Do you think they'll ever give an inch back?
Posted on 3/8/19 at 11:15 am to Mahootney
I kept one for my AR and one for my AK just in case. Waste of ammo...yep...fun doing so here and there...yep again. 
Posted on 3/8/19 at 11:16 am to bapple
quote:
And by this definition, nearly every semi automatic firearm in existence (about 90-95% of guns out there) will be open for banning.
It would allow them to ban Jerry Miculek's index finger.
Posted on 3/8/19 at 11:27 am to Mahootney
quote:
Don't give the bastards an inch.
Exactly. They will move on to the next target. Hawaii even has gone as far as propose to amend the 2A to be a collective right.
Posted on 3/8/19 at 11:33 am to Mahootney
quote:
Why compromise at all?
Do you think they'll ever give an inch back?
I'd like to see a push back in their direction, starting with repealing the NFA and GCA.
Posted on 3/8/19 at 11:41 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:realistically this will never happen IMO
repealing the NFA
Posted on 3/8/19 at 11:51 am to jimbeam
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realistically this will never happen IMO
You're probably right but at the very least it makes the gun grabbers play defense. That alone is worth something.
Posted on 3/8/19 at 11:54 am to jimbeam
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realistically this will never happen IMO
Probably not, but it's time we start using their tactics against them. They push for bans, we push for repeal of anti-Second Amendment laws. They've been getting little wins. Even wins short of repeal are good. Being able to take my suppressors back and forth between Montana and Florida without telling the federal government would be a nice start.
Posted on 3/8/19 at 11:55 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Don’t disagree with that.
Posted on 3/8/19 at 12:05 pm to MountainTiger
quote:
You're probably right but at the very least it makes the gun grabbers play defense. That alone is worth something.
What I think we could do is continuous attack the NFA into making it more accessible. Do it incrementally much like our rights were incrementally infringed on. Something along the lines of repealing 922(O) and forcing the ATF to approve applications in a timely manner. There is no reason it should take 9+months to approve a tax stamp.
But we have to get the proper scrutiny level from SCOTUS in order to do that. I have full confidence in 4 judges going that route with Robert's at a 50/50 perhaps even in our favor given his enthusiasm for taking the Heller case.
Posted on 3/8/19 at 12:56 pm to bapple
quote:
The wording of the law is written as such that there is an arbitrary acceptable “firing rate”
And replacement/drop in triggers may be banned as it could be argued they are used to increase the rate of fire.
Posted on 3/8/19 at 1:02 pm to Alleman
So will they regulate trigger pull weight? Seems like a sketchy slope? Anything under mil spec is banned?
Posted on 3/8/19 at 1:07 pm to jimbeam
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So will they regulate trigger pull weight? Seems like a sketchy slope?
Possibly. An law written intentionally vague leaves a lot of room for interpretation by the 9th Circus Court of Appeals.
Posted on 3/8/19 at 1:39 pm to Kino74
There’s a former Vet that’s in jail over a silencer felony. Apparently, in Kansas, you can make one and not register it as long as it never leaves the state. Somehow the Feds caught wind of him with it.
He’s now challenging the NFA.
He’s now challenging the NFA.
Posted on 3/8/19 at 2:08 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:Would cause the frequency of "mass shootings" to increase.
I'd like to see a push back in their direction, starting with repealing the NFA and GCA.
Posted on 3/8/19 at 2:14 pm to White Bear
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Would cause the frequency of "mass shootings" to increase.
how so? with a shorter barrel rifle/shotgun and a silencer?
i might can see a fully automatic weapon or explosive device but even then criminals will always break the law.
but silencers and shorter barrels are not anymore dangerous than your typical rifle.
eta: the first step would be to decrease the price of the stamp. $200 is ridiculous.
This post was edited on 3/8/19 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 3/8/19 at 2:23 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
Being able to take my suppressors back and forth between Montana and Florida without telling the federal government would be a nice start.
You can take suppressors across state lines without telling the ATF.
Posted on 3/8/19 at 3:26 pm to White Bear
quote:
I'd like to see a push back in their direction, starting with repealing the NFA and GCA.
Would cause the frequency of "mass shootings" to increase.
People filling out NFA paperwork aren't the ones shooting up schools and discos.
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