Gun help

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Does a 30-30 count for one of the calibers you can use during muzzle loader?

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I think as long as it's a single shot exposed breach. .306 may be the smallest but I would check WL&F to make sure. I hunt in Ms so things a bit different there.

I am 99% sure a .30-.30 isn't allowed for the new "primitive" weapon seasons.

For your budget you could easily get the real deal an actual "primitive weapon". Muzzle loaders these days are way inexpensive you can get everythign you need for under $200. Most of them shoot pretty well from what I have seen also.

Sorry I am just WAY against having a "primitive" weapon season and allowing scopes and cartriges. It's bad enough that an inline is considered a muzzleloader, but to me the other stuff is just going too far. Why do we even have a primitive weapon season anymore?

30-30 isn't legal. Neither is the tc encore

SINGLE SHOT BREECHLOADING RIFLES WHICH ARE NOT PRIMITIVE WEAPONS:
Ruger Number 1 and Number 3 (no exposed hammer)
Thompson Center Contender or Encore Carbines (designed after 1900)
Mossberg SSi Single Shot Rifle (no exposed hammer and designed after 1900)
SINGLE SHOT BREECHLOADING RIFLES WHICH ARE PRIMITIVE WEAPONS:
Sharps rifles or replicas
Remington Rollingblock rifles or replicas
Ballard rifles
Maynard rifles or carbines
Burnside carbines
Frank Wesson rifles
Farrow rifles
Remington Hepburn rifles
M1873 – 1888 Springfield (Trapdoor) Rifles and Carbines and replicas
Snider (British) rifles or replicas
Wesson & Harrington 1871 Rifles
New England Firearms or Harrington & Richardson Handi Rifles in caliber larger than .38
Winchester M1885 Hi Wall or Lo Wall rifles or replicas (Also Browning B78 or 1885) .38 or larger
Knight KP-1 in caliber .38 or larger
CVA Optima Elite in caliber .38 or larger
Traditions Pursuit break-open single shot in .38 caliber or larger

If you dont want a true muzzle loader, you cant go wrong with the H and R .45-70. I have killed 3 with mine and shot a nice buck at almost 200 yards in January. Runs less than 300 at Wal-Mart. Do yourself a favor and get the Hornady LeverRevolution ammo. Shoots a little flatter.

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Why is the encore not but the H&R Handy is?

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TC encore, for some reason is not an accepted design in La. Ms is another story.

It makes no sense, but a friend of mine has taken it as far as it can be taken and you can't hunt with the encore. This sucks, because it is a great platform, but it is what it is.

Fact is, none of this new crap is "primitive", but if that's what you want, get a bow. Rifle season has been moved up a week.

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I am 99% sure a .30-.30 isn't allowed for the new "primitive" weapon seasons.

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You can get an H&R in .30-30. Does that not count?

Yea been doing some research, going to get the H&R Handy in synthetic in 444 when I get in.

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Sorry I am just WAY against having a "primitive" weapon season and allowing scopes and cartriges. It's bad enough that an inline is considered a muzzleloader, but to me the other stuff is just going too far. Why do we even have a primitive weapon season anymore?

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It's all in the name of trying to attract more hunters. Numbers are dropping and the average age of hunters keeps going up. Allowing, muzzleloaders, crossbows, primitive firearms, etc is done with the hope of getting more people interested in hunting and also for collecting more license fees.

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It's all in the name of trying to attract more hunters. Numbers are dropping and the average age of hunters keeps going up.

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In that case, creating a special season that is limited to weapons that youngsters can't shoot seems stupid.

You need to get the youngsters into hunting if you want to increase your numbers.