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tigerinthebueche
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Erwinville, LA.
Member since Oct 2010
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re: Gulf flounder now becoming endangered....
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Theres more to it than just blaming shrimping



while you are right, if shrimping- or a particular method of shrimping- is the biggest problem, that needs to be addressed first and soonest.

Gill netters and purse seiners said there was more to it too when they were decimating reds and specks prior to game fish status for the species. But once those two entities were addressed, the resource bounced back. If shrimping is deemed to be the culprit, or the biggest culprit, shrimpers need to change their ways.


SpeckledTiger
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Denham Springs
Member since Jul 2010
1279 posts

re: Gulf flounder now becoming endangered....
have you ever called it in?


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Ol boy
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re: Gulf flounder now becoming endangered....
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Gill netters and purse seiners said there was more to it too when they were decimating reds and specks prior to game fish status for the species. But once those two entities were addressed, the resource bounced back.

Speckled trout fishing with gill nets ended back in 94-95 or so and yet they are claiming that the fishery is still not keeping up.
It’s not just the commercial fishing that is causing the problems!!!
The problem is coastal erosion and the lack of brackish estuaries not able to grow the needed replacements of what is naturally dying or being killed by all fishermen.
Fish are renewable resources and the ability of Louisiana’s coast to renew is not what it was 20yrs ago.


tigerinthebueche
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Erwinville, LA.
Member since Oct 2010
23106 posts

re: Gulf flounder now becoming endangered....
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The problem is coastal erosion and the lack of brackish estuaries not able to grow the needed replacements of what is naturally dying or being killed by all fishermen.
Fish are renewable resources and the ability of Louisiana’s coast to renew is not what it was 20yrs ago.


NO. that's one of the problems. and one that will take far longer to correct. We can do something about shrimping methods immediately and far easier than restoring the coastline and see results much sooner (I'd suppose).

You want to fix the coastline? Tell the oyster fisherman to pound sand and let the Mississippi River replenish the coastal plain like it used to via the Bonnet Carre spillway. But that's a whole other issue.


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KemoSabe65
Member since Mar 2018
2137 posts

re: Gulf flounder now becoming endangered....
Killed 29 this morning, they better hurray or I’m gonna be an outlaw soon.


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Bigfishchoupique
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re: Gulf flounder now becoming endangered....
Shrimp boats are only allowed to keep 10 flounders bycatch. They can’t keep unlimited anymore. Since at least the 90’s.

I think the skimmers really hurt things.


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DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
642 posts

re: Gulf flounder now becoming endangered....
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The rest of the state is an oyster lease program

Are they required to "reseed" those areas (not sure of the terminology). I watched the oystermen rape Port Sulphur for years and never once seen them putting anything back in. Thousands of poles and sticks marking oysters...but when I kayak around them and drag my anchor pole on the bottom I find very, very few. Seems they don't care about sustaining their own livelihoods. Those are all leases.


TutHillTiger
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Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
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re: Gulf flounder now becoming endangered....
This was predicated by many marine biologist I have talked to post Bp


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Icansee4miles
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re: Gulf flounder now becoming endangered....
The stock is down from everything I’ve seen and it is 100% on the shrimpers. How they and the oystermen can drive policy benefitting so few almost goes beyond the money they spend influencing lawmakers.


Ol boy
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Member since Oct 2018
550 posts

re: Gulf flounder now becoming endangered....
They are not required to reseed the lease but they do.
Don’t worry about the oyster fisherman from that regard they are some of wealthiest fisherman with leases having been passed down and maintained for several generations.


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choupiquesushi
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yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
22600 posts

re: Gulf flounder now becoming endangered....
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The stock is down from everything I’ve seen and it is 100% on the shrimpers. How they and the oystermen can drive policy benefitting so few almost goes beyond the money they spend influencing lawmakers.


In large part because the origins of La wlf is directly tied to oyster regulation and they have had major influence in policy from day 1


KemoSabe65
Member since Mar 2018
2137 posts

re: Gulf flounder now becoming endangered....
Nail meet hammer, your insite speaks volumes and I will leave it at that.
Mafia


choupiquesushi
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yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
22600 posts

re: Gulf flounder now becoming endangered....
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Nail meet hammer, your insite speaks volumes and I will leave it at that.
Mafia

contrary to some opinions... i don't just make stuff up... I heard that in 70s as a kid, then in 80s when i did a term paper on WLF commission.... and... if you ever been to a general meeting... well..... which in many cases what has been good to the oyster industry - has been good to the rest of us... diversions notwithstanding....
This post was edited on 2/17 at 9:34 am


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CHEDBALLZ
New Orleans Saints Fan
South Central LA
Member since Dec 2009
17559 posts

re: Gulf flounder now becoming endangered....
I'm friends with many shrimpers. Plenty of them do this. Ice chest full of flounder. It sickens me. Also, flounder like hard sandy bottoms. That's going away too with the loss of our beaches and barrier islands.


choupiquesushi
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yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
22600 posts

re: Gulf flounder now becoming endangered....
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That's going away too with the loss of our beaches and barrier islands
two spots off chef pass I raided for years.. since katrina they are now a foot of muck...


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