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Gonna need a new a/c unit for the house
Posted on 6/16/17 at 9:58 am
Posted on 6/16/17 at 9:58 am
The one that cools on side of the house has a leak in the evaporator and instead of paying 3500 to fix that I'm just going to replace the whole thing. Will probably go back with a 2.5-3 ton unit. Who makes the best now?
We have 3 Goodman units right now and they're shite. What's the best?
ETA: talking central air here
We have 3 Goodman units right now and they're shite. What's the best?
ETA: talking central air here
This post was edited on 6/16/17 at 9:59 am
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Posted on 6/16/17 at 10:00 am to bbvdd
Best for the money, or just best?
Posted on 6/16/17 at 10:01 am to bbvdd
RUUD. Goodman is terrible. Trane used to be the leader, but RUUD is up there now. Everyone is gonna chime in with their brand of choice but I'd say RUUD.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 10:02 am to wickowick
The best. I don't want to replace this one ever again.
ETA: every year we have had something happen to one of the units. Right now the run capacitor is out on the upstairs unit. I'm going to get some to replace it shortly. So, out of 3 units, one is actually working right now.
ETA: every year we have had something happen to one of the units. Right now the run capacitor is out on the upstairs unit. I'm going to get some to replace it shortly. So, out of 3 units, one is actually working right now.
This post was edited on 6/16/17 at 10:06 am
Posted on 6/16/17 at 10:23 am to bbvdd
I work fr an HVAC company and i put ruud on my house, my moms house, and we put it on our customer's houses, offices, etc. I would recommend having your units cleaned twice a year. Be sure to get someone you can trust to do it. Most jacklegs will come in and clean and tell you something major is wrong because they know you have no idea what they are saying and you will probably do what they tell you. We did a job where the lady was told by a company she needed a new unit. Hers was only 8 years old. All it needed was a 200.00 fan motor.
ETA: All that said, get RUUD. if you dont want to pay for a company to clean your stuff, then change your filters quarterly and spray your condenser coils off a couple times a year with a water hose and you'll be good for another 15-18 years.
ETA: All that said, get RUUD. if you dont want to pay for a company to clean your stuff, then change your filters quarterly and spray your condenser coils off a couple times a year with a water hose and you'll be good for another 15-18 years.
This post was edited on 6/16/17 at 10:24 am
Posted on 6/16/17 at 10:27 am to FishinTygah84
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ETA: All that said, get RUUD. if you dont want to pay for a company to clean your stuff, then change your filters quarterly and spray your condenser coils off a couple times a year with a water hose and you'll be good for another 15-18 years.
Thanks for the reminder. I need to go hose my outside coils off this weekend. It always sucks when I'm cutting around it and the damn fan kicks on and sucks all that grass in.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 10:27 am to FishinTygah84
We have April Aire filters on the house I change them pretty regularly.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 10:37 am to NASA_ISS_Tiger
that's a majority of what we see. Customer complains it's hot, we go look and the coils are covered with grass clippings, leaves, etc. Basically your unit is breathing through a straw which runs high head pressure on the compressor and blows it. Then you get the 3k bill because the heart and lungs of your unit just went out. Same with the filter for your evap coil inside. Filters being dirty means it's sucking hard.
Moral of the story. Keep the coils clean and filters changed.
Not directing that at you NASA, or anyone. just FYI's
Moral of the story. Keep the coils clean and filters changed.
Not directing that at you NASA, or anyone. just FYI's
Posted on 6/16/17 at 11:39 am to bbvdd
Call AccuTemp and ask for Gabe.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 11:44 am to FishinTygah84
And unless a heat pump, keep the condenser covered during the months when not in use. Having leaf debris piling up inside the unit can be just as bad.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 11:49 am to bbvdd
trane are the best with ruud/rheem being next on my list IMHO (40 yrs in a/c business)
I would just replace the inside units, the outside units are just simple pumping units and there are completely separate as far as being a working system.
its just like a boat and trailer, you can buy both if it makes you feel better to have everything all new or you can just buy the one that you need to save money.
that being said, if the outdoor units are more then 5 yrs old then you are better to just do it all new
I would just replace the inside units, the outside units are just simple pumping units and there are completely separate as far as being a working system.
its just like a boat and trailer, you can buy both if it makes you feel better to have everything all new or you can just buy the one that you need to save money.
that being said, if the outdoor units are more then 5 yrs old then you are better to just do it all new
Posted on 6/16/17 at 1:03 pm to bbvdd
You'll get all types of answers. I'm a consumer reports kind of guy. Below is their data on breakage rate after 5 years.
Traditional ACs
American Standard - 15%
Trane - 16%
Bryant - 16%
Lennox - 17%
Carrier - 18%
Amana - 18%
Ruud - 21%
Goodman - 22%
Rheem - 24%
York - 25%
Heat Pump units
American Standard - 23%
Bryant - 24%
Trane - 25%
Carrier - 25%
Lennox - 27%
Goodman - 35%
Rheem - 39%
Based on that I'd say American Standard but would consider Trane (last two I've had, never had issues) and Bryant> I would also keep Lenox and Carrier as options and let price guide you thereI'd say Goodman, Rheem, and York are definate no goes. Ruud would also be a no go for me, personally.
Traditional ACs
American Standard - 15%
Trane - 16%
Bryant - 16%
Lennox - 17%
Carrier - 18%
Amana - 18%
Ruud - 21%
Goodman - 22%
Rheem - 24%
York - 25%
Heat Pump units
American Standard - 23%
Bryant - 24%
Trane - 25%
Carrier - 25%
Lennox - 27%
Goodman - 35%
Rheem - 39%
Based on that I'd say American Standard but would consider Trane (last two I've had, never had issues) and Bryant> I would also keep Lenox and Carrier as options and let price guide you thereI'd say Goodman, Rheem, and York are definate no goes. Ruud would also be a no go for me, personally.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 1:07 pm to bbvdd
quote:
We have 3 Goodman units right now and they're shite. What's the best?
How old are they? Just curious because I believe Goodman's have a 10 year warrant that may cover the evaporator coils.
That said, yeah, they're crap.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 2:49 pm to mdomingue
House was built in '08. I'll cal. Them and find out.
I can not replace the inside and not the outside. These are r22 units
I can not replace the inside and not the outside. These are r22 units
Posted on 6/16/17 at 3:18 pm to mdomingue
I agree Trane is good stuff, but Ruud and Rheem are made in the same factory so why is there such a large difference in the percentage. I think they need a larger sample size. The results seemed skewed.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 3:21 pm to bbvdd
quote:
I can not replace the inside and not the outside. These are r22 units
Yes you can, 22 will work on a 410 evap coil just have to change metering device.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 3:26 pm to brew400
Anybody know what the actual cost difference is between identical goodman heat pump setup vs. ruud/rheem, or any other brand? Are they THAT much cheaper at initial install to justify all the headaches?
Posted on 6/16/17 at 3:29 pm to brew400
I guess I'missed lucky. 15 years on a Goodman and still going good strong.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 3:45 pm to JusTrollin
I assume the difference is part specific? Possibly one uses a slightly different part than another that is prone to failure or uses different soft part materials? Just a guess. If the units a comparably price< It's hard to know why they would but if one brand is targeting a lower price point they may use slightly different components, maybe on the control boards?
Here is the preamble to the numbers for the non heat pump
And for the heat pumps
Here is the preamble to the numbers for the non heat pump
quote:
While no brand of central air conditioner stands our as being the most reliable, York and Rheem are among the less reliable brands. These findings are based on the results of Consumer Reports’ 2016 Fall Product Reliability Survey of 14,452 owners of conventional central air conditioning systems, purchased new between 2009 and 2016. Differences of fewer than 6 points between brands aren’t meaningful. Our statistical model estimates breakage rates (complete system breakdowns or systems that cease to function well enough to sufficiently cool a home) by the 5th year of ownership, for systems that receive annual professional maintenance but are not covered by a service contract. We also adjust for the number of months of use over a 12-month period. The median number of months during which these systems are used is 5 per year.
And for the heat pumps
quote:
American Standard and Bryant top our heat pump reliability chart, but these brands are not meaningfully more reliable than the majority of heat pump brands. Rheem and Goodman are the two least reliable brands, and neither can be recommended by Consumer Reports at this time. That’s what we found based on the feedback of 7,816 subscribers, who reported on their experiences with heat pumps installed between 2011 and 2016. The following chart shows the estimated breakdown rates for heat pump brands by the third year of ownership. Differences of fewer than 5 percentage points aren’t meaningful. Models within a brand may vary, and changes in design or manufacturer might affect reliability. Still, choosing a heat pump from a more dependable brand can improve your odds of getting a reliable model.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 3:48 pm to AUjim
quote:
Anybody know what the actual cost difference is between identical goodman heat pump setup vs. ruud/rheem, or any other brand? Are they THAT much cheaper at initial install to justify all the headaches?
A couple of guys I work with got a Goodman because the cost ended up being around 30-50 percent less than anything else they looked at. As a result, one of the guys said with the 10 year warranty he felt he could replace one every 10 years and still come out ahead.
Personally, I would rather not.
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