re: GI commercial fisherman sentenced to 20 years w/o parole for 6th dwi

Unfortunately his ways didn't work the first 5 times. Look man, I'm all about solving problems. What we're doing hasn't significantly stopped people from getting a second and third. It could be argued that getting a first is just a stupid mistake, but at that point, alternative choices need to be entertained.

And yes I am talking about the whole judicial system

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Having been to rehab, you are aware of the typical 15% success rate.

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I knew it was low but not that low. My only counter is what is the success rate upon prison release as far as staying clean and sober? I'd assume under 15% but I have no data to back that up. I get that the success statistics for addicts are bad but what do you do? Run up a tax payer funded $700k+ bill? There has to be a better option. You can't put the guy in front of a firing squad.

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Nope, but I know what it takes to keep in control while drinking and I don't drink and drive anymore

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Wasn't it not that long ago that you claimed to drink a gallon of Jack Daniels then get into a bar fight with someone, then get on here talking about how awesome your knuckles are?

Everybody makes mistakes, but 3 plus times is a fricking habit.

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I don't know where in the world you got those numbers but that isn't always the the case. In MS, the state is broken down into regions geographically. Each region has a mental health & drug rehab program. My cousin went to one that was $1,500 a month (this was in 2008ish). My wife's cousin just went to one that was cheap a cpl months ago.

A few years ago I read it cost 35k a year to house an inmate and I'm sure it's more now. If you could treat somebody for that same amount a year, even if it's a state hospital, I'd support that over 20 years of incarceration for a drug or substance abuse crime.

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Honestly, I googled it, and that was for private inpatient treatment. That said, it has nothing to do with the price of tea in China.

Self-paid, court-ordered treatment is a good sentence for 1st offense. 2nd offense should include at least 1 month incarceration + treatment. Once you get to 3, it should be treated as a violent crime, as you have shown a continual disregard for the health, safety, and well-being of your fellow citizens. This dude was on 6 that we know of.

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Wasn't it not that long ago that you claimed to drink a gallon of Jack Daniels then get into a bar fight with someone, then get on here talking about how awesome your knuckles are?

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He knows how to keep it under control, he just doesn't. Yep, still a no account drunk. His position makes a lot more sense now.

Nah, I do probably 90% of the time now. I just have to outsmart my drunk self. It took a long time to figure out since my IQ drops to 175 when I'm drunk, but I have it now. I know the steps that need to be taken.

Also, jail or rehab never dissuaded me from drinking and driving. I didn't think anything of getting to the point where I could barely talk, and then driving to BR from here. The abundance and accessibility of reliable transportation is what stopped that. I'd bet I do it a lot less than pretty much every poster in this thread. I don't even go to my bud's house a mile away without getting Uber to take me. I just don't drink and drive at all anymore.

My point is that there are alternative methods of cutting back the amount of drinking and driving. We just need to figure them out, run tests, and implement what works. I'm not okay with anyone committing serious crimes, but if there are different possibilities that might prevent them from happening, I'm all about that.

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My point is that there are alternative methods of cutting back the amount of drinking and driving. We just need to figure them out, run tests, and implement what works. I'm not okay with anyone committing serious crimes, but if there are different possibilities that might prevent them from happening, I'm all about that.

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Which is a reasonable argument on DUI #2. It is not on DUI #6. That is a blatant disregard for human life.

Thread got off track from the OP. I still don't think he should get more time than most other people with violent felonies. Would you rather a person like Donald Dickerson in the OT thread be out on parole in a couple of years, or would you rather someone who drinks and drives. The punishment does not fit the crime compared to other punishments for other crimes. He'll be a drain and 100% useless when he gets out

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American mass incarceration policies

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I have a problem with them too. But we're not talking about jailing a guy for repeated possession of marijuana charges. We're talking about a guy driving drunk and high as a kite crashing into shite - 6 times now. It's a matter of time before he seriously injures someone (and if you believe the poster in this thread, that is exactly what happened in this latest accident).

What else can the system do here? He's already been warned, fined, ordered to treatment, jailed. Doesn't matter. He still gets fricked up and gets behind the wheel. After a while, enough is enough. He is a danger to everyone around him.