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Diesel baws
Posted on 2/24/20 at 10:08 pm
Posted on 2/24/20 at 10:08 pm
Which would you get, 2015 and newer and why? I've been doing research and seems to all have their flaws
gm/Chevy with the cp4 failures and fuel system failure in general
Ford with the turbo or death wobble
Ram.... well it's just ugly... but more importantly the tranny
What would you get and why? And how many miles would be too many to turn you away
gm/Chevy with the cp4 failures and fuel system failure in general
Ford with the turbo or death wobble
Ram.... well it's just ugly... but more importantly the tranny
What would you get and why? And how many miles would be too many to turn you away
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Posted on 2/24/20 at 10:28 pm to maisweh
The 6.7 Cummins is built for medium duty applications and can be had in a truck. The others are light duty engines that can be had in medium duty applications. Big difference.
The 6.7 cummins is in everything from 200 hp garbage trucks to 550 hp / 1200 ft-lb boats. Ram has caught up to ford and GM in quality as far as the rest of the truck goes. I'd definitely get a ram if I was planning to get a diesel and drive it into the ground.
After that it'd be GM then Ford. The duramax/allison combo has been great for a very long time. Ford has straightened out their issues as far as I know but I still dont like the 6.7
The 6.7 cummins is in everything from 200 hp garbage trucks to 550 hp / 1200 ft-lb boats. Ram has caught up to ford and GM in quality as far as the rest of the truck goes. I'd definitely get a ram if I was planning to get a diesel and drive it into the ground.
After that it'd be GM then Ford. The duramax/allison combo has been great for a very long time. Ford has straightened out their issues as far as I know but I still dont like the 6.7
Posted on 2/24/20 at 10:45 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
What year did ram step up their game?
Posted on 2/25/20 at 12:55 am to maisweh
When the aisin transmission became an option.
Seriously.
I wish the others would do the same.
Even a Jatco transmission would work well.
Seriously.
I wish the others would do the same.
Even a Jatco transmission would work well.
This post was edited on 2/25/20 at 1:05 am
Posted on 2/25/20 at 6:56 am to maisweh
Ram- no doubt for the reason Downshift said.
That engine is also cleverly disguised (or a VERY close variant of it for the purists) and put in the most reliable ag tractors made today- all the way up to 240hp (rated) and they get yanked on.....all day, every day.
I have one I look after- 8000 hours and the only issue has been a 12/24 converter that was used on the original Tier IVa configuration. It’s been rode hard and put up wet by 3 different companies and no one can seem to kill it.
That engine is also cleverly disguised (or a VERY close variant of it for the purists) and put in the most reliable ag tractors made today- all the way up to 240hp (rated) and they get yanked on.....all day, every day.
I have one I look after- 8000 hours and the only issue has been a 12/24 converter that was used on the original Tier IVa configuration. It’s been rode hard and put up wet by 3 different companies and no one can seem to kill it.
Posted on 2/25/20 at 7:09 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Probably 2012ish I guess. The big 3 are close enough in quality now that where I buying one for myself, price would be 95% of what I made my decision on. If I were a hotshot driver I'd get the ram no doubt. With what I do, any of them would far surpass my needs.
Posted on 2/25/20 at 8:04 am to subMOA
It is a great selling point for the truck but for what the majority of people do with diesel trucks, I think we should start talking in terms of which one handles a 5% duty cycle for 5000 hours the best 
A pickup truck cant handle enough work to wear a cummins 6.7 out, nor the other two either. I've never heard of anybody wearing out any of them in a pickup. I am curious about how long itll take before that 550 rating is used in a showroom pickup truck. The engine could easily handle it in a pickup duty cycle.
I think all 3 are using similar Bosch fuel systems. I know ford had a problem with water getting in for a while and I've personally seen a few $9k+ repair bills for them. Ford blamed poor fuel and took no liability in the repairs. Thatd be enough to scare me away from the ford. I'm assuming they dont have good water separation or indication. No modern diesel should have water getting to the fuel pumps.
A pickup truck cant handle enough work to wear a cummins 6.7 out, nor the other two either. I've never heard of anybody wearing out any of them in a pickup. I am curious about how long itll take before that 550 rating is used in a showroom pickup truck. The engine could easily handle it in a pickup duty cycle.
I think all 3 are using similar Bosch fuel systems. I know ford had a problem with water getting in for a while and I've personally seen a few $9k+ repair bills for them. Ford blamed poor fuel and took no liability in the repairs. Thatd be enough to scare me away from the ford. I'm assuming they dont have good water separation or indication. No modern diesel should have water getting to the fuel pumps.
This post was edited on 2/25/20 at 8:07 am
Posted on 2/25/20 at 8:14 am to maisweh
I have a 6.7 cummins and love it. Its deleted and tuned. Also I got the G56 tranny so i didnt have to worry about the crappy auto transmission going out, which has always been the weak point in these dodge trucks.
Posted on 2/25/20 at 8:27 am to maisweh
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Ram.... well it's just ugly... but more importantly the tranny
Still running a 2004 Ram 2500 with the 5.9 Cummins. 234K and has the same power it had as new. Oh, never had a problem with the tranny. In fact, I had never changed the oil or filter in it all these years.
Posted on 2/25/20 at 10:25 am to fishfighter
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In fact, I had never changed the oil or filter in it all these years.
I would literally flinch every time it shifts
Posted on 2/25/20 at 10:44 am to maisweh
I’ve had two new 6.7 fords. Zero issues with either
Posted on 2/25/20 at 4:28 pm to texag7
I have a 2017 Ford with the 6.7
74 on the clock and no issues. More power than I need and gets good mileage. I will be changing the transmission fluid, both differentials , and the transfer case fluid as soon as it warms up a bit.
I change the oil every 5-7k using 5w40 synthetic. The fuel filters get changed every other oil change. I hope to have it for at least 200k
74 on the clock and no issues. More power than I need and gets good mileage. I will be changing the transmission fluid, both differentials , and the transfer case fluid as soon as it warms up a bit.
I change the oil every 5-7k using 5w40 synthetic. The fuel filters get changed every other oil change. I hope to have it for at least 200k
Posted on 2/25/20 at 10:27 pm to pdubya76
Current: 2019 Ram 2500 Limited
Past 2012, 2015, 2017 and 2018 F-250
Heater core and two egt sensors replaced on 2012 @ approx 60k miles, 2018 had death wobble fix done. Death wobble didn't start until some idiot hit the truck right in one of the front wheels, after they fixed and realigned the truck they replaced a few parts including dampener. No other repairs on any of them.
Totalled the 2015 f-250, t-boned a Toyota SUV that turned in front of me. I walked away, elderly yota driver spent nearly a week in hospital. Pushed the passenger door to the console.
The Ram: Feels more like a diesel, doesn't have the same power or peppy feel as the Ford when empty. Towing power is good, exhaust brake is great, tranny feels good. Fuel mileage so far couple MPG better than Ford. More engine noise in cab but not a lot, sounds like a big rig warming in driveway on a cold morning.
The interior is smaller, especially back seat (crew cab not mega) but I don't ride back there so not a big concern. Floor space in back is handy when hauling groceries or other items that need to stay dry. Beyond that it feels a decade ahead of the Ford. Leather everywhere instead of plastic, huge screen, loads more tech. The Ford and GM interiors don't even come close. Some of the other tech feels way ahead of the last Ford I had, the LED lights turn with the wheel, the settings for nearly every system on truck can be adjusted on the huge screen in dash has cameras and sensors all around for parking etc.
I use my truck for work, I get whatever is best deal at the time via fleet programs etc. I really like the F-250, its comfortable after having so many of them. I got the Ram because the current program was better, That said, I'm really impressed with it and Ford needs to do some major upgrades to their interiors and technology to catch up to the new Ram.
Past 2012, 2015, 2017 and 2018 F-250
Heater core and two egt sensors replaced on 2012 @ approx 60k miles, 2018 had death wobble fix done. Death wobble didn't start until some idiot hit the truck right in one of the front wheels, after they fixed and realigned the truck they replaced a few parts including dampener. No other repairs on any of them.
Totalled the 2015 f-250, t-boned a Toyota SUV that turned in front of me. I walked away, elderly yota driver spent nearly a week in hospital. Pushed the passenger door to the console.
The Ram: Feels more like a diesel, doesn't have the same power or peppy feel as the Ford when empty. Towing power is good, exhaust brake is great, tranny feels good. Fuel mileage so far couple MPG better than Ford. More engine noise in cab but not a lot, sounds like a big rig warming in driveway on a cold morning.
The interior is smaller, especially back seat (crew cab not mega) but I don't ride back there so not a big concern. Floor space in back is handy when hauling groceries or other items that need to stay dry. Beyond that it feels a decade ahead of the Ford. Leather everywhere instead of plastic, huge screen, loads more tech. The Ford and GM interiors don't even come close. Some of the other tech feels way ahead of the last Ford I had, the LED lights turn with the wheel, the settings for nearly every system on truck can be adjusted on the huge screen in dash has cameras and sensors all around for parking etc.
I use my truck for work, I get whatever is best deal at the time via fleet programs etc. I really like the F-250, its comfortable after having so many of them. I got the Ram because the current program was better, That said, I'm really impressed with it and Ford needs to do some major upgrades to their interiors and technology to catch up to the new Ram.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 12:03 am to maisweh
F250 for a work truck. Ram if you just pulling with it.
The death wobble is an easy fix. Just fixed one today. Powertrain is rock solid and plenty of power. Ford has put the same power train in the SDs for almost ten years straight. Reason for that, resale and reliability.
Ram has pretty much done the same. Only reason I pick Ford is because the Ram will beat your brains out compared to a Ford. If you hooked on to something then the Ram rides like a Caddy.
GM still chasing it's tail.
The death wobble is an easy fix. Just fixed one today. Powertrain is rock solid and plenty of power. Ford has put the same power train in the SDs for almost ten years straight. Reason for that, resale and reliability.
Ram has pretty much done the same. Only reason I pick Ford is because the Ram will beat your brains out compared to a Ford. If you hooked on to something then the Ram rides like a Caddy.
GM still chasing it's tail.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 7:24 am to maisweh
Got a 2015 F-250 with the 6.7 and it has performed flawlessly. No issues and it pulls like a dream. I had 2009 Ram 2500 with the 6.7 before it and while the engine was awesome, everything else was suspect. Maybe Ram has stepped up their game but it was in the shop a lot for water pumps, emissions, and electronics. Good luck with your decision!
Posted on 2/26/20 at 7:40 am to Sparetime
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GM still chasing it's tail.
Not sure what you mean by this. Their HD trucks have been very good since the very early 2000's, when ford and ram were both putting out junk.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 5:45 pm to maisweh
quote:
Ram.... well it's just ugly... but more importantly the tranny
Get the Aisin, problem solved.
I dont agree on them being ugly, I think they are one of the better looking trucks on the road.
Ram has upped its game over the old cracked dashboard days.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 7:13 pm to Sparetime
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death wobble is an easy fix. Just fixed one today.
What was the fix, my cousin can’t even drive his over a gravel driveway without his doing it. Any bump on the highway and he has to stop before it stops shaking.
This post was edited on 2/26/20 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 2/26/20 at 7:33 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Trying to create power, durability, and a brand amongst the working class is what I mean. They may be fun to ride in and blast around down the highway, but they aren't a working class brand/truck yet.
Kind of like Kubota, great little tractors, but if you make a living off of it, John Deere and/or Case.
Kind of like Kubota, great little tractors, but if you make a living off of it, John Deere and/or Case.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 7:36 pm to KingRanch
Track bar ball joint and bushing. Ball joint is on RH side facing straight down through the track bar. Bushing is on the LH side of axle. Ball joint usually goes after 50-60k miles.
Moog is 80 bucks with a lifetime warranty. Mechanic labor is 2 hours.
Quick and cheap fix if you ask me.
Moog is 80 bucks with a lifetime warranty. Mechanic labor is 2 hours.
Quick and cheap fix if you ask me.
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