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re: Compact 9MM for CC?
Posted on 7/19/20 at 4:51 pm to Lsutigerturner
Posted on 7/19/20 at 4:51 pm to Lsutigerturner
quote:Most people who buy their first handgun with a safety buy one without from then on. The gun won't go off unless there's an operator error or it's really poorly maintained and actually fails somehow. Take full responsibility for every aspect of handling the gun and there is no need for a safety.
not a fan of safeties especially multiple safeties
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Posted on 7/19/20 at 10:00 pm to RoyalWe
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Most people who buy their first handgun with a safety buy one without from then on. The gun won't go off unless there's an operator error or it's really poorly maintained and actually fails somehow. Take full responsibility for every aspect of handling the gun and there is no need for a safety.
We just got back from shooting the wife’s ez, the thumb safety is definitely overkill impossible to shoot unless you want to shoot it! I’ll add at five yards I could hit a roofing nail once out of 7 shots and all other shots hit just a couple inches away .Damn accurate out of the box. I’m far from being an expert.
Posted on 7/19/20 at 10:33 pm to Possumslayer
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at five yards I could hit a roofing nail once out of 7 shots and all other shots hit just a couple inches away
At 5yds in a no-pressure range session you should be putting all shots in the X Ring. A couple inches off at only 5 yards equates to "off the paper" at longer distances.
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I’m far from being an expert
Keep practicing!
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thumb safety is definitely overkill impossible to shoot unless you want to shoot it
I've seen all the comments from everyone giving their opinions on the pros and cons of safeties both in this thread and in others and I just don't understand and why anyone cares why another gun owner prefers a safety or not? Who cares????
If someone feels better owning a gun with a safety then so be it. Just let it be!
Posted on 7/19/20 at 10:46 pm to cdaniel76
To be honest if it didn’t have the grip safety I would want the thumb safety.... little gun ran great 200 rounds no malfunction... wife never shot a firearm 54 yo and did great needs more practice, we’re gonna make this a weekly thing as long as ammo is easily found.
Posted on 7/19/20 at 11:55 pm to RetiredSaintsLsuFan
I have the G2 and like it.
Posted on 7/20/20 at 5:02 am to AUCE05
Until I can (if possible) look at some actual handguns are y'all saying some of these have two safeties? One reason I have my wife's 38 special revolver at my nightstand is because if I have to wake up suddenly I don't want to fool with a safety. My Taurus PT92 has a safety. I want to grab it and shoot. Maybe if I shot it more often I would get accustomed to the safety. We have no kids in our house to worry about. This is why I am looking at the Kel-tec, Sccy CPX-2 AND S&W Shield.
Posted on 7/20/20 at 6:56 am to Lsutigerturner
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Hell no! not with all those crazy safeties it has what? 3 that I see?
Won't fire without mag in it?
Won't fire with thumb safety?
Won't fire without grip safety?
Lol isn't one enough? How many extra parts and springs does that require to maintain??
When did shields get all that stuff? Is that just Cali version?
Since it's the CC choice for many women/moms, S&W is playing up the safety aspect of the pistol with that demographic.
Posted on 7/20/20 at 8:35 am to RetiredSaintsLsuFan
Mine has a thumb safety. I wanted o e though because I have young kids.
Posted on 7/20/20 at 8:57 am to RetiredSaintsLsuFan
The shield is the only worthy option in your list at this price point.
Posted on 7/20/20 at 10:55 am to RetiredSaintsLsuFan
I would add Beretta APX Carry to your list. You can find them in stock for $319. Solid single stack 9mm, been very happy with mine.
Posted on 7/20/20 at 12:11 pm to RetiredSaintsLsuFan
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Until I can (if possible) look at some actual handguns are y'all saying some of these have two safeties? One reason I have my wife's 38 special revolver at my nightstand is because if I have to wake up suddenly I don't want to fool with a safety. My Taurus PT92 has a safety. I want to grab it and shoot. Maybe if I shot it more often I would get accustomed to the safety. We have no kids in our house to worry about. This is why I am looking at the Kel-tec, Sccy CPX-2 AND S&W Shield.
All standard Shield models have a passive trigger safety that's built into the trigger. You'd handle the gun just as you normally would and there's no additional steps needed to "take it off safe" like you would if it had the optional manual thumb safety that you'd have to flip off with your thumb.
Shield w/o thumb safety
Shield w/ thumb safety
All Shield EZ models come with a standard grip safety which is another passive safety. It automatically releases when you grip the gun in your hand. The EZ's also have an optional manual thumb safety.
Shield EZ w/o thumb safety
Shield EZ w/ thumb safety
Posted on 7/20/20 at 12:39 pm to RetiredSaintsLsuFan
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Until I can (if possible) look at some actual handguns are y'all saying some of these have two safeties? One reason I have my wife's 38 special revolver at my nightstand is because if I have to wake up suddenly I don't want to fool with a safety.
Just because it has a thumb safety doesn't mean you have to use it. My M&P compact doesn't have one. My Shield does because I occasionally appendix carry and if I need to reholster while I'm wearing it I engage the safety, then thumb it back off once it's in place. It's so small on the standard Shield you'll forget it's there if you don't use it. It's also so small that I wouldn't want to have to thumb it off during an adrenaline dump. It's doable with muscle memory but I wouldn't be comfortable with it.
Posted on 7/20/20 at 1:52 pm to bigfatpimp
I will add the Beretta APX to my list. Again the issue is finding them in stock.
Posted on 7/20/20 at 2:29 pm to RetiredSaintsLsuFan
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I will add the Beretta APX to my list. Again the issue is finding them in stock.
Carry or Full Size?
Gunbroker Listings.
Probably going to exceed your price point though by up to $100.
Posted on 7/20/20 at 3:34 pm to Nole Man
I have registered for GunBroker.
Posted on 7/20/20 at 3:38 pm to RetiredSaintsLsuFan
quote:All quality handguns have passive internal safeties. If you're worried about a negligent discharge, you need to spend more time looking for training and less time looking at handguns.
How important is it to not have a safety?
I'm sure you've figured out by now that the longer this thread goes, the more conflicting and confusing replies you're gonna get.
Limit your search to quality handguns (M&P, Glock, H-K, SIG and a few Berettas). Forget all the cheap stuff (unless you place a low value on your life) like Taurus SCCY, Kel-Tec, Lorcin, Jennings, and forget any firearm that has been on the market for less than three years.
Go shoot some quality handguns. Pick one and buy it. After a few months, buy another -- because you're not going to find the "perfect" handgun by asking for opinions on an internet forum.
If you end up buying one and you don't like it, so what. This is the perfect time to sell handguns. You can easily get rid of whatever you don't like.
I understand that you're trying to absorb all this in an analytical, objective fashion. But an internet forum is going to give you opinions from every Tom, Dick and Harry who frequents this board - mingled with some good advice from very experienced people. Separating the wheat from the chaff is your biggest hurdle.
Posted on 7/20/20 at 3:50 pm to dawg23
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If you're worried about a negligent discharge, you need to spend more time looking for training and less time looking at handguns.
I know you already know all of this, just taking an opportunity from your post.
My counterargument to this is that a negligent discharge can be caused by things other than your finger. They can be caused by someone else's finger, loose clothes, folded holster flap, etc.
It is true that 100% of negligent discharges are preventable and inexcusable, but a mechanical safety gives you an extra layer of protection against it.
I personally do not feel comfortable with a striker fired gun with no manual safety. The trigger pulls are too short and easy for my liking and they make me nervous. I dont like leaving a round in the chamber because of that, and it makes the gun ineffective as a carry piece. I like DA/SA pistols for the long initial trigger pull, higher pull weight, and the ability to holster with my thumb pressed on the back of the hammer. There is no manual safety to disengage but firing the gun takes a much more deliberate effort than say a glock or M&P. Same goes for revolvers, their long and heavy DA trigger pull is a sufficient safety to make me comfortable. True double action is for me the perfect compromise between safety and speed to use.
Posted on 7/20/20 at 4:34 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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I like DA/SA pistols for the long initial trigger pull, higher pull weight, and the ability to holster with my thumb pressed on the back of the hammer.
Many feel that way. So, for the OP, at this point, what are some of the makes/models you'd recommend given that?
Posted on 7/20/20 at 4:40 pm to dawg23
Not sure why you don't view Taurus as a quality gun these days? At that price point, there's not a better option probably than a G2C or a G3 (or G3C). Do the research. There are gazillion's of positive reviews. Consistently one of the top ranked options. They've come a long way in recent years. Not everyone can afford a SIG.
My first gun was a Taurus PT 92 purchased in 1986. Built like a tank. Reliable. Well made. Still have it. If I was in the market, and had a budget, I'd go G3 or G3C all day long.
My first gun was a Taurus PT 92 purchased in 1986. Built like a tank. Reliable. Well made. Still have it. If I was in the market, and had a budget, I'd go G3 or G3C all day long.
Posted on 7/20/20 at 4:56 pm to Nole Man
Unfortunately for OP, the DA/SA budget for guns I would carry starts around $400. I'm not aware of any cheaper than a beretta PX4 which is right over $400.
All of these will be from $400-$550
Sig P2022
Beretta M9 (that's a big bitch)
CZ P07
Taurus PT92 (M9 clone, also huge)
He'd have to buy used to stay around $300. Theres no doubt striker guns are cheaper. The shield is availabe with an external safety, that's what I would get were I him.
All of these will be from $400-$550
Sig P2022
Beretta M9 (that's a big bitch)
CZ P07
Taurus PT92 (M9 clone, also huge)
He'd have to buy used to stay around $300. Theres no doubt striker guns are cheaper. The shield is availabe with an external safety, that's what I would get were I him.
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