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CCA MS working re: “the haul seine scam”
Posted on 7/9/18 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 7/9/18 at 12:19 pm
From email:
The latest on the “Haul Seine” Scam
Recreational anglers who have been seeing nets in the water are raising questions about what the nets are, and the answer is far from clear. Even to the casual observer, the nets look and act like gill nets but the Department of Marine Resources (DMR) has chosen to call them “haul seines,” which does nothing to solve the puzzle since the term “haul seine” appears nowhere in CMR Regulations or Mississippi state statutes.
Many of today’s anglers may not have been here in the 1990s when the contentious issue of gill nets and their impact on marine resources was hotly debated. In Mississippi, the inshore use of these nets was decimating mullet populations in addition to entangling other sportfish species and bycatch that ran the gamut from porpoises to turtles. After much public outcry over the destructive nature of the nets, and subsequent work by concerned anglers, the Commission on Marine Resources (CMR) adopted a regulation that required the use of only biodegradable materials in gill nets, which did not fully address the problem, but did reduce some of the impact of gill nets that were lost at sea. These “ghost nets” were largely hidden from view, but when constructed of monofilament they do significant damage by continuing to catch and kill marine life for years, even decades.
Since then, there have been occasional incidents of monofilament gill nets being used and a number of these have been cited and prosecuted. The result has been the expansion of the commercial hook-and-line fishery which harvests sportfish (red drum, spotted seatrout, flounder) under quotas, in a relatively clean, targeted manner.
ENFORCE THE REGULATIONS
Last year, anglers began seeing gill nets made of monofilament in use and questioned whether they met current regulations of the CMR or legislation. CCA Mississippi sent a request to the Executive Director of DMR in April that eventually led to a staff presentation and discussion by the commissioners in September 2017 meeting. (Official notes from that meeting may be found here - LINK ). The Department contended that the nets meet the requirements of Title 22, Part 5, of the CMR Regulations because they are “haul seines.” However, haul seines are used in a completely different manner than gill nets, and the nets in question were being used exactly like gill nets. And they were clearly made of monofilament material. While CMR may consider the matter closed, CCA Mississippi is not satisfied that this issue has been resolved.
Today, recreational anglers are still observing the use of monofilament gill nets in sensitive estuary areas, such as the inner harbor/causeway area in Pascagoula and around Cat Island. Regulations do limit commercial fishing in some areas, such as within a distance of one mile from Cat Island and other areas from May 15 to September 15 each year. However, there are photos and videos of these nets being set within the marine grass nearshore areas of Cat Island and similar areas in Pascagoula. And contrary to comments by CMR staff in 2017 that the nets are used to target “underutilized species” not caught by hook-and-line commercial fishermen or under quota, there have been observations of the nets taking spotted seatrout from those areas.
It appears that certain commercial harvesters think they have found a loophole in CMR regulations and are exploiting it to use gill nets made of monofilament, and in areas where the nets are not allowed.
Resolution of this issue falls directly on the CMR and will require instruction to DMR staff to enforce the guidelines set in the 1990s that define any net functioning as a gill net be composed of biodegradable materials. The controversy over where any nets can be set to avoid destruction of marine grasses also needs clarification and enforcement.
CCA Mississippi is willing to work with CMR to address obvious abuses of current regulations, but we are also prepared to explore other options should these abuses be allowed to continue. If legislative action is needed to clearly define what fishing gear is legal and proper for use in Mississippi’s coastal waters and where it can be used, we are confident our members will be eager to lead the charge in the state Legislature.
CCA Mississippi remains committed to ensuring the health and conservation of our marine resources, and anglers’ access to them.
STAY TUNED
The latest on the “Haul Seine” Scam
Recreational anglers who have been seeing nets in the water are raising questions about what the nets are, and the answer is far from clear. Even to the casual observer, the nets look and act like gill nets but the Department of Marine Resources (DMR) has chosen to call them “haul seines,” which does nothing to solve the puzzle since the term “haul seine” appears nowhere in CMR Regulations or Mississippi state statutes.
Many of today’s anglers may not have been here in the 1990s when the contentious issue of gill nets and their impact on marine resources was hotly debated. In Mississippi, the inshore use of these nets was decimating mullet populations in addition to entangling other sportfish species and bycatch that ran the gamut from porpoises to turtles. After much public outcry over the destructive nature of the nets, and subsequent work by concerned anglers, the Commission on Marine Resources (CMR) adopted a regulation that required the use of only biodegradable materials in gill nets, which did not fully address the problem, but did reduce some of the impact of gill nets that were lost at sea. These “ghost nets” were largely hidden from view, but when constructed of monofilament they do significant damage by continuing to catch and kill marine life for years, even decades.
Since then, there have been occasional incidents of monofilament gill nets being used and a number of these have been cited and prosecuted. The result has been the expansion of the commercial hook-and-line fishery which harvests sportfish (red drum, spotted seatrout, flounder) under quotas, in a relatively clean, targeted manner.
ENFORCE THE REGULATIONS
Last year, anglers began seeing gill nets made of monofilament in use and questioned whether they met current regulations of the CMR or legislation. CCA Mississippi sent a request to the Executive Director of DMR in April that eventually led to a staff presentation and discussion by the commissioners in September 2017 meeting. (Official notes from that meeting may be found here - LINK ). The Department contended that the nets meet the requirements of Title 22, Part 5, of the CMR Regulations because they are “haul seines.” However, haul seines are used in a completely different manner than gill nets, and the nets in question were being used exactly like gill nets. And they were clearly made of monofilament material. While CMR may consider the matter closed, CCA Mississippi is not satisfied that this issue has been resolved.
Today, recreational anglers are still observing the use of monofilament gill nets in sensitive estuary areas, such as the inner harbor/causeway area in Pascagoula and around Cat Island. Regulations do limit commercial fishing in some areas, such as within a distance of one mile from Cat Island and other areas from May 15 to September 15 each year. However, there are photos and videos of these nets being set within the marine grass nearshore areas of Cat Island and similar areas in Pascagoula. And contrary to comments by CMR staff in 2017 that the nets are used to target “underutilized species” not caught by hook-and-line commercial fishermen or under quota, there have been observations of the nets taking spotted seatrout from those areas.
It appears that certain commercial harvesters think they have found a loophole in CMR regulations and are exploiting it to use gill nets made of monofilament, and in areas where the nets are not allowed.
Resolution of this issue falls directly on the CMR and will require instruction to DMR staff to enforce the guidelines set in the 1990s that define any net functioning as a gill net be composed of biodegradable materials. The controversy over where any nets can be set to avoid destruction of marine grasses also needs clarification and enforcement.
CCA Mississippi is willing to work with CMR to address obvious abuses of current regulations, but we are also prepared to explore other options should these abuses be allowed to continue. If legislative action is needed to clearly define what fishing gear is legal and proper for use in Mississippi’s coastal waters and where it can be used, we are confident our members will be eager to lead the charge in the state Legislature.
CCA Mississippi remains committed to ensuring the health and conservation of our marine resources, and anglers’ access to them.
STAY TUNED
This post was edited on 7/9/18 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 7/9/18 at 12:22 pm to stoms
I edited the op, unquoted, and broke it up so it wasn’t just a wall of text.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:11 pm to stoms
good for them. frick a gillnet.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:18 pm to stoms
Those photos from cat island were infuriating. I'm glad they at least got enough people pissed off to get the ball rolling.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:57 pm to redneck
Can someone post the photos please?
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:02 pm to redneck
quote:
Those photos from cat island were infuriating
Damn right they were.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:07 pm to Motorboat
quote:
Can someone post the photos please?
I can't find them on my phone but it was a dude out fishing cat island on a weekday and there were multiple nets placed on the grass beds. He posted them on a few Mississippi fishing groups and shite took off. Someone else then posted photos from the dock and it was a guy standing damn near knee deep in thousands of speckled trout.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:08 pm to redneck
Allegedly, there were a few would be state records in there, but who knows the validity of that.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:14 pm to speckledawg
Obviously can't tell weight from a photo but there were a few big motherfrickers in there
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:18 pm to redneck
There's a crap ton of comments on that page from this, but here's a couple pics I found quickly. I recall several others from the catch, but haven't found them yet.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:29 pm to speckledawg
LINK
This is the thread on Bullnettle. Can't see pics unless you're logged in, but it lays out the issue well with a few commercial guys showing their arse. It's a combination of several loop holes and just outright lack of enforcement allowing the use of gill nets and for the quota to be dodged and under reported.
This is the thread on Bullnettle. Can't see pics unless you're logged in, but it lays out the issue well with a few commercial guys showing their arse. It's a combination of several loop holes and just outright lack of enforcement allowing the use of gill nets and for the quota to be dodged and under reported.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 4:08 pm to Motorboat
Yeah frick guys for trying to make a living.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 4:17 pm to speckledawg
I'm against the nets but that picture doesn't shock me too much
you can see that many trout sitting on the cleaning tables at any time in many places in louisiana
you can see that many trout sitting on the cleaning tables at any time in many places in louisiana
Posted on 7/9/18 at 4:22 pm to Ron Cheramie
quote:
you can see that many trout sitting on the cleaning tables at any time in many places in louisiana
Hah! Go drive to any dock you wish this Saturday and take a pic and post it up here. That is a big hold with tons of trout. No ice to take up space either. What these guys were doing was nothing short of raping large breeding trout population in certain areas by trapping with nets.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 4:25 pm to JAB528
quote:
Yeah frick guys for trying to make a living illegally
Posted on 7/9/18 at 4:28 pm to speckledawg
Why isn’t it being enforced then if it’s illegal?
Posted on 7/9/18 at 4:41 pm to JAB528
It was more than just the nets. The season was not continued, because of the false reporting of catches. But I'm sure it's just some good guys trying to make a living...
Posted on 7/9/18 at 4:44 pm to JAB528
The methods being used are hard to prove unless caught in the act, and hard to track unless investigated. This is the first step in that.
Why you trollin breh
Why you trollin breh
Posted on 7/9/18 at 8:05 pm to JAB528
quote:
Yeah frick guys for trying to make a living.
The word was that it was a bunch of guys from Fla under-reporting catch using essentially gill nets and then selling most of their catch in Venice. So ya, frick those guys and the illegal living they were making.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 8:31 pm to Ron Cheramie
quote:
you can see that many trout sitting on the cleaning tables at any time in many places in louisiana
Mississippi limit is 15 per person over 15"(!!!). It'd take a big boat of people (not including charter captain and crew because they changed those rules too) to bring in that many fish.
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