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Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:55 am to AlxTgr
Took a minute but we finally got there 
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:56 am to Teague
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I don't care what anyone says, it's not always possible to get a FP and BH to hit the same point.
Yes it is. If a person can’t do it they either have a bow that isn’t tuned or a problem with their form. If you put a well tuned bow in a hooter shooter with an arrow tipped with any fixed head that spins true It will shoot with FPs
Posted on 11/2/17 at 9:58 am to Raz4back
I think it's possible too. I know perfection is next to impossible. But what's wrong with trying to achieve it?
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:06 am to beHop
quote:nothing at all. I’m OCD with my setup. I’m not happy if I don’t have Slick Trick Mags, QAD Exodus, Rage Hypos, and FPs all flying the same out to 50 yards.
But what's wrong with trying to achieve it?
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 10:10 am
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:10 am to Raz4back
quote:
Yes it is
No it isn't. I said "not always". It's usually close enough that you might not be able to tell the difference. But, there are a LOT of factors that go into tuning a bow perfectly, and shooting two different arrows (which is what you have when you change point profiles) makes it impossible to ALWAYS get those arrows to fly the same. Modern equipment is forgiving enough that you might not see any difference, but sometimes you will.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:17 am to Teague
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No it isn't. I said "not always". It's usually close enough that you might not be able to tell the difference. But, there are a LOT of factors that go into tuning a bow perfectly, and shooting two different arrows (which is what you have when you change point profiles) makes it impossible to ALWAYS get those arrows to fly the same. Modern equipment is forgiving enough that you might not see any difference, but sometimes you will.
We aren't talking about perfect. But you should be punching the same holes at 25. There are tons of guys out west that are shooting the same spots out to 80 yards with both FPs and fixed blades.
One of the reasons to get your FP's and broadheads tuned to the same spot, is so that your bow is tuned. These guys that take a FP and screw on an expandable to shoot out to 30 yards are many times shooting a bow that is very out of tune. You shoot that broadhead at 40-50 yards and it starts doing very odd things.
You can tune a broadhead out to 80-100 yards. Then you match it with your FP's by moving your rest just ever so slightly. Its what every archer should be doing, but most don't.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:28 am to baldona
quote:This really shouldn't happen when you really think about it.
There are tons of guys out west that are shooting the same spots out to 80 yards with both FPs and fixed blades.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:29 am to Teague
I guess it depends on your definition of the same is. I’ve had my bow in a hooter shooter cut the same hole with 8 different fixed heads (2 blade, 3 blade, 4 blade, and ranging from 1” to 1.5” diameter.) Did the tip of each broad head hit the EXACT same spot? Probably not, but Levi Morgan wouldn’t have been able to tell the difference in the POI.
Let’s say you are the average archer and shoot 5” groups at 40 yards. If your bow is tuned and your form is good, any fixed head (provided it spins true) is going to be in that 5” area with your FPs
Let’s say you are the average archer and shoot 5” groups at 40 yards. If your bow is tuned and your form is good, any fixed head (provided it spins true) is going to be in that 5” area with your FPs
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 10:38 am
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:39 am to baldona
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Then you match it with your FP's by moving your rest just ever so slightly.
So, you tune with field points, then move your rest to adjust where your broadheads hit? Who taught you this?
Look, maybe I'm old fashioned, but I did start shooting real compound bows at age 8, which was about 1984. And, in the 90's and early 00's I shot competitively every weekend that wasn't deer season. MY way of doing things is to tune with the arrow I'm going to use, then adjust the sights. What you're doing is assbackwards from everything I ever learned.
Anyway, you guys do whatever works for you. As long as you can hit where you're aiming, that's all that really matters.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:53 am to Teague
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MY way of doing things is to tune with the arrow I'm going to use, then adjust the sights
That’s why you can’t get broadheads and FPs to fly the same
You sight in with FPs and then shoot your broadhead. If the POI is different you chase your broadhead by moving your rest a fraction at a time. In the OPs case, if broadheads are high and left you move your rest 1/16 right and shoot again. Repeat this as necessary. Generally the POI will close together both vertically and horizontally. If not, once the POI is the same horizontally you do the same to adjust vertically. This as a ST Mag and a field point at 40 yards. They look the same to me
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 11:12 am
Posted on 11/2/17 at 11:14 am to Teague
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So, you tune with field points, then move your rest to adjust where your broadheads hit? Who taught you this?
LOL, uh yeah. That's how literally everyone recommends. FP's have less margin for error and are more likely to fly straight naturally. Broadheads can have their own issues outside of the bow and arrow.
So you get your FP's dialed in, then shoot your Broadheads. Then you move your rest very slightly one direction at a time until they match.
You want to paper tune both, get your bow tuned with FP's. Then paper tune again with broadheads. Make sure your arrows are still shooting well with the broadheads. Some of your longer and otherwise bigger broadheads certainly will not shoot anywhere close to your FP's so you may have to change your spine of your arrows or just shoot a different broadhead.
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 11:16 am
Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:13 pm to Teague
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So, you tune with field points, then move your rest to adjust where your broadheads hit? Who taught you this?
No, I think what is meant is you move your rest to move the POI of the broadheads until it matches the POI of the field points. Opposites attract. I'm pretty sure everyone from Randy Ulmer to Cam Hanes to Levi Morgan agrees with this procedure.
One thing that everyone needs to keep in mind is that if your field points and broadheads are not hitting the same, something is wrong.
When an arrow leaves a perfectly tuned bow, it comes out straight and there is no steering by the broadhead-mechanical or fixed. If it comes out slightly left or right, up or down, then the broadhead steers instead of the fletching.
As anyone can tell from this thread, there are many different opinions on how to overcome different POI's. Some sight in for broadheads, some shoot mech., some fix the bow. etc, etc, ad nauseum.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:18 pm to Raz4back
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hoot 5” groups at 40 yards. If your bow is tuned and your form is good, any fixed head (provided it spins true) is going to be in that 5” area with your FPs
If we are only talking about 5" groups, we need not have this discussion.
5" group and "shooting the same" are not the same thing.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:35 pm to beHop
Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:58 pm to GeorgianTiger
Well would you looky there.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 1:07 pm to tenfoe
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5" group and "shooting the same" are not the same thing.
That is an arbitrary number. You can use 2” or 3” if you wish (which at 40 yards is beyond the capablilities of the majority of bow hunters.)
If a broadhead is staying in same group (whatever the size) as a FP then it IS flying the same.
To put it simply, if your broadhead is hitting 1 inch left out of a hooter shooter then your broadhead group is going to be left of your FP group regardless of your group size.
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 12/7/17 at 8:21 pm to beHop
So just to update...
I was running an Octane Hostge rest. Key word here is "WAS."
I switched to a QAD HDX today. I shot a field point, ST Standard, ST Magnum, and a Montec CS on top of each other out to 50 yards. Turns out i was getting inconsistent fletching contact with the Hostage. Not anymore!
I was running an Octane Hostge rest. Key word here is "WAS."
I switched to a QAD HDX today. I shot a field point, ST Standard, ST Magnum, and a Montec CS on top of each other out to 50 yards. Turns out i was getting inconsistent fletching contact with the Hostage. Not anymore!
Posted on 12/7/17 at 8:27 pm to beHop
You mean you didn't have to add 2.5 twists to the left upper yoke, shim the lower cam or lightly sand your arrows?
Some of the tuning stuff I've read make it seem impossible for the average guy. I'm still getting used to my new set up. I plan to shoot with some muzzys just to see how well it's tuned even though I hunt with SteelHeads.
Some of the tuning stuff I've read make it seem impossible for the average guy. I'm still getting used to my new set up. I plan to shoot with some muzzys just to see how well it's tuned even though I hunt with SteelHeads.
Posted on 12/7/17 at 8:29 pm to AlxTgr
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Some of the tuning stuff I've read make it seem impossible for the average guy.
It's downright disheartening.
How's that triax working out?
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