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Posted on 2/12/12 at 9:20 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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I just like having no valvetrain and popping on every rotation. 2 strokes just make so much shite.
I liked my 2 stroke a lot. From my experiences 2 strokes have more power out the hole. But I'm starting to see more and more 4 stokes now.
Posted on 2/12/12 at 9:43 am to Intermingler
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If you have a good Etec mech in the area you might wanna consider it. The over the top harcore 4 stroke people will have you think that you burn so much oil that it is way more costs per yr as the 4 stroke 100 hr services.
I have a new 2011 250 that is either turned off, idiling at 1500 rpm or cruising at 5000 rpm. I have less than 90 hrs and have only burned just a hair less than 85 gallons of gas and 3 gallons of xd-100. This is on a 23 Grady White WA 2 adults, 1 child and full fishing load. Oh and there is no service for the 1st 300 hrs
Are you sure that you did not leave your key on? 90 hours and 85 gallons of fuel. And your numbers show why I got rid of my 250 Etec.85 gallons of fuel and 3 gallons of xd-100 = 28.3 gallons of fuel per gallon of oil used. Xd-100 is $28 bulk and $36 per gallon individually. So if you do the math it is not as financially wise as it first appears. Mine didnt make it the 300 hours with no service because it blew the fuel injectors. But I will say the ETEC has great hole shot power. Unfortunatly for me cost and dependability mean more.
Posted on 2/12/12 at 10:36 am to Ling King
No...E-10 had destroyed my OX66 that was on the Grady when I purchased it. If you read my post..I'm not crusing the sweet spot was my point.
In the sweet spot of 4200 rpm full fuel, full load is 2.3 gph at 37mph. I choose to cruise at 45mph at 5100rpm. My boat with full load is right at 8500lbs she be a heavy bitch.
As far as injectors blowing that was pretty much an 07 problem.
I have 3 Etecs total..2009 and newer I have never had an issue with any of them. I'm hard on my stuff, the only Yamaha or Merc I can't destroy is a 99 25 hp merc I have had for 2 yrs now.
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I'm paying 24 for oil in bulk. The local mechanics here are charging 600 bucks plus on a 100 hr service on 4 strokes. The 4 stroke is definitely more costly to run in my area..
In the sweet spot of 4200 rpm full fuel, full load is 2.3 gph at 37mph. I choose to cruise at 45mph at 5100rpm. My boat with full load is right at 8500lbs she be a heavy bitch.
As far as injectors blowing that was pretty much an 07 problem.
I have 3 Etecs total..2009 and newer I have never had an issue with any of them. I'm hard on my stuff, the only Yamaha or Merc I can't destroy is a 99 25 hp merc I have had for 2 yrs now.
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I'm paying 24 for oil in bulk. The local mechanics here are charging 600 bucks plus on a 100 hr service on 4 strokes. The 4 stroke is definitely more costly to run in my area..
This post was edited on 2/12/12 at 10:40 am
Posted on 2/12/12 at 11:44 am to Intermingler
For the application you're looking at, don't think you can go wrong with the Yamaha 4-stroke 150. I've been running one for almost a year now and it's an incredible engine.
As for the 2 v 4 debate with regard to salt and fresh....huh?? There's absolutely no rhyme or reason to that. I'm guessing maybe you'd favor the speed of a 2-stroke on a bass boat just for a faster WOT speed but now with the hopped up 4-strokes losing weight (the new Yamaha SHO series, for example) it's hard to justify a 2 for a bass boat anymore. Merc Optimax's and the Pro XS series, etc. are very very fast, I'm just not a fan of the black motors.
As for the 2 v 4 debate with regard to salt and fresh....huh?? There's absolutely no rhyme or reason to that. I'm guessing maybe you'd favor the speed of a 2-stroke on a bass boat just for a faster WOT speed but now with the hopped up 4-strokes losing weight (the new Yamaha SHO series, for example) it's hard to justify a 2 for a bass boat anymore. Merc Optimax's and the Pro XS series, etc. are very very fast, I'm just not a fan of the black motors.
Posted on 2/12/12 at 1:32 pm to Tigah D
I just looked up the weights on yamaha engines and was suprised with the 4 stroke weights. Thought 4 strokes used to be a lot heavier.
150 2 stroke= 468lbs
200 2 stroke= 475lbs
200 4 stroke SHO= 505lbs
200 4 stoke= 608lbs
150hp 4 stroke= 491lbs
150 2 stroke= 468lbs
200 2 stroke= 475lbs
200 4 stroke SHO= 505lbs
200 4 stoke= 608lbs
150hp 4 stroke= 491lbs
Posted on 2/12/12 at 1:51 pm to JasonL79
It depends on how much will you use it? 4 strokes are better, but much more expensive. If you will use it a LOT, the savings in gas will make up for the price a little. If you aren't going to use it almost every weekend, go with the 2 stroke, jmo.
Posted on 2/12/12 at 1:52 pm to JasonL79
They did solve the weight issue a while back and thats the reason you see 300 hp 4 strokes now.
Posted on 2/12/12 at 3:18 pm to Intermingler
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The local mechanics here are charging 600 bucks plus on a 100 hr service on 4 strokes
What is included in the 100hr service fpr $600? What else is there to service but the oil and oil filter on 4-strokes?
Posted on 2/12/12 at 3:27 pm to JasonL79
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What is included in the 100hr service fpr $600? What else is there to service but the oil and oil filter on 4-strokes?
I hope he's meaning that price is for several motors if not he's getting raped. Annual service at the dealership on my Yamaha F150 cost me $200.00.
Posted on 2/12/12 at 5:05 pm to Who Me
$600 for 4 stroke annual is crazy! If you can change the oil on your car or truck then you can change the oil on a 4 stroke. Also the lower unit lube is something a newbie could do. So that leaves us with the water pump which doent have to be done every year but I like to. This can be tricky for some. So there is $130 for a full kit replacement not just the impeller. I am not going to sit here and bash two strokes or etecs but 4 strokes are just easier to keep up for me and better on the re-sale.
Posted on 2/12/12 at 5:17 pm to JasonL79
In the Tampabay area a 225 or 250 yamaha or Verado is between 550 and 600 per by a certified mech. What is entailed I don't know, it's just what I hear folk complaining about here. The shops are charging 95 to 115 per hr shop time.
I have a 250, 140 and a 60 Etec and all I can say is they are the most economical engines I have ever owned.
I'm not here to bash 2s to 4s either, I did look at the 250 SHO but the ceramic liners in the cylinders scared me as they are throw away parts at that time. I don't know if you can re-line them now or not.
The best thing anyone can do with re-powering is pic the brand with the best mechanic in the area and pay for the extended warranty.
I have a 250, 140 and a 60 Etec and all I can say is they are the most economical engines I have ever owned.
I'm not here to bash 2s to 4s either, I did look at the 250 SHO but the ceramic liners in the cylinders scared me as they are throw away parts at that time. I don't know if you can re-line them now or not.
The best thing anyone can do with re-powering is pic the brand with the best mechanic in the area and pay for the extended warranty.
Posted on 2/12/12 at 5:57 pm to JasonL79
just stay the hell away from a verado
Posted on 2/12/12 at 6:01 pm to JasonL79
I'm a 2 stroke man myself, My buddy has a 4 stoke 25 horse yahama that we took yoyoing this past weekend, that thing was quiet & didn't use hardly any fuel. The only problem with it it's a heavy SOB. Even for a 25 it needed a power trim. 
Posted on 2/12/12 at 6:05 pm to Ole Geauxt
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what would a new 50 merc 2 stroker cost? bout 5K?
This post was edited on 2/12/12 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 2/12/12 at 6:11 pm to Ole Geauxt
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what would a new 50 merc 2 stroker cost? bout 5K?
The rule of thumb i go by is 100$ per horse power 50 hp = 5k
Posted on 2/12/12 at 6:14 pm to Nascar Fan
thats about what they used to be, just needed a confirmation.....
Posted on 2/12/12 at 6:28 pm to Tigah D
quote:None? No rhyme? You say Huh? too. You then have a strong opinion.
There's absolutely no rhyme or reason to that.
Posted on 2/12/12 at 6:31 pm to AlxTgr
Saltwater is a little bit heavier
Posted on 2/12/12 at 6:32 pm to Intermingler
It's saltier too.
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