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re: 300 blackout your thoughts?
Posted on 12/9/12 at 7:36 pm to bapple
Posted on 12/9/12 at 7:36 pm to bapple
I actually havent thought about the MOA clicks but I just looked them up. It looks like they are 1/10 MIL adjustments. So... if I am doing the math correctly, MIL = .36 vs MOA = .25 (what you care for). Correct me if I am wrong.
Thats all that I meant by what I said. Its the end of finals week and no telling if I made sense or not.
I am having trouble deciding on the VX-R though, maybe you can help. What I want to do it zero the scope for 125grn Nosler at 100 yards. I will use the yardage turrets on the left side of the scope to walk it out to 150 and 200 yards. Then, I can switch to 220grn bullets and know that for a 100 yard zero I have to adjust the yardage knob to say 600 yards (just using a random number for now). And maybe 800-900 for 200 yards, ect.
Can I do this with the yardage turret or should I use the ballistic turrets to reach out that far? I am worried about losing my zero and returning to it while using the ballistic turrets.
I normally use a MIL Dot, however, the VX-R does not have one and I really like the FireDot reticle. Any advice or suggestions?
I have zero personal experience with them but the reviews are great. I will buy and test them once they come back into stock.
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When I made my comments about .308" bullets in a 300BLK case I didn't think about the characteristics of specific bullets. I guess you'd need a quicker-expanding round since it has much less velocity than your average 308, 30-06, 300WM, et cetera.
Thats all that I meant by what I said. Its the end of finals week and no telling if I made sense or not.
I am having trouble deciding on the VX-R though, maybe you can help. What I want to do it zero the scope for 125grn Nosler at 100 yards. I will use the yardage turrets on the left side of the scope to walk it out to 150 and 200 yards. Then, I can switch to 220grn bullets and know that for a 100 yard zero I have to adjust the yardage knob to say 600 yards (just using a random number for now). And maybe 800-900 for 200 yards, ect.
Can I do this with the yardage turret or should I use the ballistic turrets to reach out that far? I am worried about losing my zero and returning to it while using the ballistic turrets.
I normally use a MIL Dot, however, the VX-R does not have one and I really like the FireDot reticle. Any advice or suggestions?
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If these are as good as their TTSX, I don't think you can go wrong. Those things are amazing on just about every critter out there.
I have zero personal experience with them but the reviews are great. I will buy and test them once they come back into stock.
This post was edited on 12/9/12 at 7:39 pm
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Posted on 12/9/12 at 7:46 pm to Ice Cream Sammich
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Thank you for the offer. However, I purchased a complete Daniel Defense 300 back at the beginning of November. I believe I posted a picture of it on page 1. I am shooting irons right now but I am seriously looking at the Leupold VX-R 1-4 for close and medium range shooting. How large is the Bowies up in Natchez? I love the one here in BR.
It's not very big at all but, they do have quite the assortment of rifles. I hate going in there being that I usually can't get out without spending money on something.
I'll be there this Friday. Looking at purchasing a Wilson Combat 458 SOCOM.
Posted on 12/9/12 at 7:50 pm to Kill Switch
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Wilson Combat 458 SOCOM
Damn! I wanted one bad and still do. I just could not justify the price of the ammo. Its not like I shoot either my AR or AK much but I believe ammo was around $3.00 a round last time I looked. I already pay over $3.00 for my 300 WSM and would hate to cry anymore than I do now.
Post pictures if you pull the trigger.
Posted on 12/9/12 at 7:59 pm to Ice Cream Sammich
We're starting to get alot of hogs where we own some property and I figure a 458 SOCOM (with suppressor of course) will be just the ticket to have a little fun.
Posted on 12/9/12 at 8:10 pm to Kill Switch
Pricy Pricy. But I mean if its necessary...
What can are you looking at?
What can are you looking at?
Posted on 12/9/12 at 8:13 pm to Ice Cream Sammich
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Can I do this with the yardage turret or should I use the ballistic turrets to reach out that far? I am worried about losing my zero and returning to it while using the ballistic turrets.
I think you would need to fool with any scope you get to figure out the perfect recipe. My dad's Swarovski has the adjustable turrets, but it also costs more than most rifles and handguns. If you can find a rifle with some adjustable turrets, it sounds reasonable.
Or if you get a scope with more than a simple duplex reticle, you will eventually just be able to guestimate and figure out where each one hits. For example, my Redfield scope has an "accurange" reticle. Here's a comparison:
Duplex:
Accurange:
On my rifle, the bullseye is sighted at 200, so the top of the circle is 100. The lower part of the circle is 300, the dot 400, the top of the post 500. But I haven't shot it over 150 yet, so I can't comment on that part. But I'm sure if you did something along these lines you can get it good.
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I have zero personal experience with them but the reviews are great. I will buy and test them once they come back into stock.
They're amazing rounds. My dad's 300WM wouldn't shoot anything well until he decided to give those a try. He loaded up some rounds and printed a .36MOA group. He was pretty satisfied with it when he took it to Montana. Then he took a mule deer and 2 elk all over 250 yards. They are the real deal.
Posted on 12/9/12 at 8:24 pm to bapple
The TTSX bullets are the blue tip ones? I use the TSX for my 300 WSM and I can cloverleaf a target at 100 yards. They dont offer the TTSX for the 300 WSM but I will try them for the 300BO.
I love my Swaro and will buy more in the future but I have decided that I do not need one on my AR. However, the VX-R does have turrets. I am hoping to keep this a close to medium range AR so I want to keep my reticle simple and clear. Also, since the 300BO subs drop so much compared to the supersonics, I doubt a reticle as the accurange would be as helpful for me.
I emailed a customer service rep at Leupold, but they were completely useless. I will give one a call tomorrow or Tuesday to see if I can get a better answer.
I love my Swaro and will buy more in the future but I have decided that I do not need one on my AR. However, the VX-R does have turrets. I am hoping to keep this a close to medium range AR so I want to keep my reticle simple and clear. Also, since the 300BO subs drop so much compared to the supersonics, I doubt a reticle as the accurange would be as helpful for me.
I emailed a customer service rep at Leupold, but they were completely useless. I will give one a call tomorrow or Tuesday to see if I can get a better answer.
Posted on 12/9/12 at 8:41 pm to Ice Cream Sammich
Yeah, it will be pricey to shoot but, it won't be taken and shot every other weekend like the 300BLK is. It will be zeroed and then only used when shooting hogs....
Or beavers....
Or armadillos....
LOL
Will be getting the can from Wilson as well.
Or beavers....
Or armadillos....
LOL
Will be getting the can from Wilson as well.
This post was edited on 12/9/12 at 8:48 pm
Posted on 12/9/12 at 10:27 pm to Ice Cream Sammich
Sammich,
Agreed. Most bullets that are designed to be used as a hunting bullet 308 Win velocities are going to be too hard to expand at the reduced velocities of the 300 BO. Although I've no personal experience w/ them, the flat tip 125 gr bullets meant to be used in the 30-30 for deer hunting will prolly work ok w/ the 300 BO. Of course, those flat tip bullets just look ugly compared to a sexy spitzer bullet.
You'll be very pleased. It's a fine hunting bullet and very accurate. My experience has been limited to running it at reduced velocities, 2250 in my pistol and 2400-2500 fps in a rifle. When my son first started hunting he used this bullet/load. He killed a number of deer w/ it w/ good results.
Me too.
You're prolly aware of this already, but you'll need a faster than usual twist to stabilize those heavy, long bullets at subsonic velocities.
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I do not recommend just picking any .308 round willy nilly expecting the same expansion/separation.
Agreed. Most bullets that are designed to be used as a hunting bullet 308 Win velocities are going to be too hard to expand at the reduced velocities of the 300 BO. Although I've no personal experience w/ them, the flat tip 125 gr bullets meant to be used in the 30-30 for deer hunting will prolly work ok w/ the 300 BO. Of course, those flat tip bullets just look ugly compared to a sexy spitzer bullet.
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I actually just picked up 6 boxes of 125 grain Noslers to try and see how they perform.
You'll be very pleased. It's a fine hunting bullet and very accurate. My experience has been limited to running it at reduced velocities, 2250 in my pistol and 2400-2500 fps in a rifle. When my son first started hunting he used this bullet/load. He killed a number of deer w/ it w/ good results.
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I cannot convince myself to get any 110 grain Vmax bullets
Me too.
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the 220 Remington Match look promising.
You're prolly aware of this already, but you'll need a faster than usual twist to stabilize those heavy, long bullets at subsonic velocities.
Posted on 12/9/12 at 10:38 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
I am excited about the Noslers. I bought some PNW Arms and they look to be loaded fairly decent around 2,200 fps. When I get fully set up for reloading, I would like to try and push that over 2,500.
Yeah I know about those fat 220 subs. I have a 1/8 barrel so I wont get great accuracy, but I wont be hunting with subs most of the time. Ill shoot at hogs and other unwanted animals with my future SDN 7.62 with a 220 but probably not a deer.
However, if it turns out that I can stabilize heavier subs with some accuracy, I want to try the Hornady Amax 208 bullets. They have great reviews and are loved by everyone. Maybe someone will offer to load me some one day...
Yeah I know about those fat 220 subs. I have a 1/8 barrel so I wont get great accuracy, but I wont be hunting with subs most of the time. Ill shoot at hogs and other unwanted animals with my future SDN 7.62 with a 220 but probably not a deer.
However, if it turns out that I can stabilize heavier subs with some accuracy, I want to try the Hornady Amax 208 bullets. They have great reviews and are loved by everyone. Maybe someone will offer to load me some one day...
Posted on 12/9/12 at 10:46 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
Bullet of the year.
These are what I want to hunt with. Incredible reviews from a proven company.
Cheap ammo
What I am currently stocking up on until I get setup to reload. Still, a great price considering how rare the round is.
Big and Quiet
What I want to shoot things with, quietly.
Not brave enough to buy.
Hornady Vmax. Just cant justify the price when the Barnes was specifically designed for the 300 and has much better reviews.
These are what I want to hunt with. Incredible reviews from a proven company.
Cheap ammo
What I am currently stocking up on until I get setup to reload. Still, a great price considering how rare the round is.
Big and Quiet
What I want to shoot things with, quietly.
Not brave enough to buy.
Hornady Vmax. Just cant justify the price when the Barnes was specifically designed for the 300 and has much better reviews.
Posted on 12/10/12 at 12:10 pm to Ice Cream Sammich
Just priced the above referenced component Barnes bullet as I was thinking about trying it some time. OUCH!! $33/50! Think I'll stay w/ the 125 gr NBT for now, especially at that price. I'll let you give an extensive range/field report on the Barnes bullet and then I'll reconsider possibly buying some. 
Posted on 12/10/12 at 12:36 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
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Barnes bullet as I was thinking about trying it some time. OUCH!! $33/50!
I think the biggest reason it costs so much is because of its all-copper construction.
Posted on 12/10/12 at 6:24 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
Yeah I dont blame you a bit. I have a nice little stockpile of 125 NBT as well so those will probably be shot first before I start looking to stock up on another hunting load. I am still trying to stock up on as many UMC rounds as I possibly can but they are stupid hard to find and the price is going up.
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