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The Spleen
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re: Women’s Soccer - USA or The Netherlands + In Game Thread
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Sadly, the other 3, and the keeper, will get zero credit even though they were just as important.



That first save and Lavelle converting hers were waaaaaaaaay more important that Rapinoe's.


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Leonard
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re: Women’s Soccer - USA or The Netherlands + In Game Thread
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National allegiance is a fairly silly concept when 30% of the nation wants complete separation from another 30% and they share pretty much no common values or beliefs.



Not to delve down this rabbit hole, but I'd wager our country has more or less always been this way (hello, 1861-1865) but with the advent of social media we are now hyper-aware of that disdain


Pettifogger
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re: Women’s Soccer - USA or The Netherlands + In Game Thread
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Not to delve down this rabbit hole, but I'd wager our country has more or less always been this way (hello, 1861-1865) but with the advent of social media we are now hyper-aware of that disdain



I disagree but I do agree that SM makes it feel even less aligned. Places like Reddit or Twitter which are just astonishingly leftist paint a misleading picture regarding the national consensus.

But I think the divide is real and growing, that aside. I don't think in 1980 you would have a large swath of the country who believed the concept of the nuclear family was a net negative, that the idea of merit was offensive/racist, that the notion of personal responsibility is oppressive, the flag was a veiled promotion of white supremacy, etc. etc.

You're probably right that SOME divides were more or less always there, but painting them, as we do in threads like this, as about "politics" is misleading. It's not D-R here. I'm sure 100% of the team voted for Biden and I really don't care. It's when your vision of America is so foreign to me as to be unrecognizable, that's when the notion of rooting for/rooting against your country loses significance. It the flag on your shirt means something entirely different to you, or worse, makes you uncomfortable - what's the point? It's just entertainment then.


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Why the edit?


The Spleen
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re: Women’s Soccer - USA or The Netherlands + In Game Thread
What about when a candidate runs for the WH with a slogan of "Make America Great Again" insinuating that it is not currently great? The anthem protesting is just a way to bring attention to issues they feel aren't currently great in this country. But I guess when the former drapes himself in an American flag it makes it all okay.

Besides, I'm not even real sure any of them kneel anymore. Maybe Rapinoe still does. I haven't really paid close attention.


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Why the edit?


Ask our Admin Leaders. I didn’t touch it.


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Interesting.




UncleLester
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Interesting.


It also disappeared for a few minutes and now appears to be anchored.



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To be fair, the differing opinion is that this nation was never great, isn't great, and is fundamentally racist/unfair and needs to be overhauled.

regardless, it's still an OPINION, and it's just as valid and warranted as yours is, on whatever topic you feel the need to have an opinion on... choosing to shun someone representing your country, based on if their beliefs align with yours or not is pretty disingenuous, wouldn't you agree?



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I'm rooting for the entire USWNT to get beaten out by trannies in their next try outs

i'm rooting for you too


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Pettifogger
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re: Women’s Soccer - USA or The Netherlands + In Game Thread
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What about when a candidate runs for the WH with a slogan of "Make America Great Again" insinuating that it is not currently great? The anthem protesting is just a way to bring attention to issues they feel aren't currently great in this country. But I guess when the former drapes himself in an American flag it makes it all okay.



What? You can argue MAGA is a prop theme for Trump who really DGAF, but I think it's a realllllllllly big stretch to argue it's unpatriotic. Core themes behind the MAGA campaign push consisted of completely uncontroversial ideas like bringing factories and production back to the US and energy independence. I think it's a really weak argument on your part.

The anthem protesting is based on an objectively false premise - the concept that black males are disproportionately murdered by the police.

I haven't referenced kneeling. A considerable portion of my disgust with some on the team is derived from the lawsuit, when a harmful and divisive fiction was promoted for a lengthy period of time despite full knowledge that it had no basis in fact. They elected to fabricate a fight on a political/social justice advocacy basis knowing that it would create conflict and divide in an arena that it supposed to be about pride and unity.

Anyway, the idea that an American with core beliefs despised by Megan Rapinoe should root for her because she's American amuses me. Because that argument primarily comes from the crowd that discards the idea that one should salute/respect the flag/anthem/etc. merely on the basis of it being "American." It's completely contradictory.


Pettifogger
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re: Women’s Soccer - USA or The Netherlands + In Game Thread
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regardless, it's still an OPINION, and it's just as valid and warranted as yours is, on whatever topic you feel the need to have an opinion on... choosing to shun someone representing your country, based on if their beliefs align with yours or not is pretty disingenuous, wouldn't you agree?



Wait, so someone playing for the national team and representing the country who thinks the country sucks should be supported because of...opinions?

What?

And no, not all opinions are just as valid or warranted as all other opinions. If this is the case then WTF is the point of even existing under the same flag? We're just people who happen to live adjacent to one another under the same government.


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The Spleen
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I think it's a realllllllllly big stretch to argue it's unpatriotic.


I really didn't say it was unpatriotic. I certainly don't see myself as the arbiter of what is and what is not patriotic, and I don't think anyone is. I see both examples as being very similar, and you obviously disagree, which is fine. Most people are more bothered over her disrespect for the flag than the issue she's trying to shed light on.


Pettifogger
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I really didn't say it was unpatriotic. I certainly don't see myself as the arbiter of what is and what is not patriotic, and I don't think anyone is. I see both examples as being very similar, and you obviously disagree, which is fine. Most people are more bothered over her disrespect for the flag than the issue she's trying to shed light on.



In that case I don't really understand your MAGA argument. I assume you're saying that Trump was more or less "trashing America" by implying it wasn't great, but again I think "America is the greatest country on earth and needs to show itself again" - which is more or less the theme behind MAGA, dispels that.

I'm bothered by her disrespect of the flag. But my annoyance is increased because her cause is so illegitimate.


Teddy Ruxpin
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wouldn't you agree?


Most of the time, not always.

If someone was pro-Soviet Union during the Cuban Missile Crisis I'd shun them, wouldn't you agree?

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it's still an OPINION, and it's just as valid and warranted as yours is, on whatever topic you feel the need to have an opinion on...


This is absolute nonsense. Not all opinions are equally valid. This isn't kindergarten.
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Bestbank Tiger
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re: Women’s Soccer - USA or The Netherlands + In Game Thread
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In that case I don't really understand your MAGA argument. I assume you're saying that Trump was more or less "trashing America" by implying it wasn't great, but again I think "America is the greatest country on earth and needs to show itself again" - which is more or less the theme behind MAGA, dispels that.

I'm bothered by her disrespect of the flag. But my annoyance is increased because her cause is so illegitimate.


I'm more bothered by Rap's holier than thou moralizing while she profits from child slave labor.

As far as MAGA, candidates have said that for a long time. You can find footage of WJC and Reagan saying it. Trump was just the first to make it his campaign slogan. It's like saying MLSUGA after a bad season.


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re: Women’s Soccer - USA or The Netherlands + In Game Thread
it is rather ironic that half the poliboard is up in arms about how we need a revolution, but hates rapinoe for shitting on our country


Tigertown in ATL
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re: Women’s Soccer - USA or The Netherlands + In Game Thread
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and the irony of so called "patriots" rooting against the US b/c they inaccurately describe someone with a differing opinion, from their own, as anti-American, is not lost on me...


In accurate description of the reason for not rooting for those bitches.


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sugar71
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re: Women’s Soccer - USA or The Netherlands + In Game Thread
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it is rather ironic that half the poliboard is up in arms about how we need a revolution, but hates rapinoe for shitting on our country


Anyone else outside Conservatives being remotely critical of the US/ government are unpatriotic or hate America.


Mr. Elvert
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re: Women’s Soccer - USA or The Netherlands + In Game Thread
Forgot how terrible women’s soccer is. Also, hilarious that this thread is anchored


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