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Rohan Gravy
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When will world records cease to be broken?
How big, fast, and strong can the human body get?

I’ve posted this before related to football.

A physical therapist said there are so many non contact injuries in sports now (soft tissue, tendons and cartilage) because the human body is at its limits.

Your thoughts.


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re: When will world records cease to be broken?
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A physical therapist said there are so many non contact injuries in sports now (soft tissue, tendons and cartilage) because the human body is at its limits.


lulz...

The human body is always evolving as it is a living thing that adapts to its surroundings. Some may push THEIR body to its limits, but the human body will adapt over time to people continually pushing theirs, and then procreating those minute DNA changes to their children.

As for your question. Who knows...I guess when someone is such a freak they do something crazy, but my guess is that all records will be broken at some point.


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re: When will world records cease to be broken?
Well when you only got to beat the previous record by a millisecond I will say never


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Gaston
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re: When will world records cease to be broken?
I was a slalom water skier back in the early ‘90s…it seemed impossible to break records then.


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Rohan Gravy
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re: When will world records cease to be broken?
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lulz...

The human body is always evolving as it is a living thing that adapts to its surroundings.



I’m so happy that I’ve added some joy to your life.


But my question was a serious one.


Are you a PHD or expert in this or related discipline?


The increase in non contact injuries in sports are absolutely on the increase for many years.


Are you implying that one day human beings will be able to run 50-60 miles an hour?



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re: When will world records cease to be broken?
I imagine there’s a physicist or some kind of bio-medical/mechanical engineer that can calculate an estimate for individual events.

Leg length, muscle size, joint movement - there has to be a limit at some point.

This article from 2010 claims the maximum speed of humans that is possible is about 40mph: LINK


Rohan Gravy
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re: When will world records cease to be broken?

Thank you, good article.


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re: When will world records cease to be broken?
It’s not gonna be in our lifetime


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RummelTiger
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re: When will world records cease to be broken?
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I’m so happy that I’ve added some joy to your life.


As am I.

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But my question was a serious one.


And I answered it seriously.

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Are you a PHD or expert in this or related discipline?


Nope, but I did study basic science in HS, and I read a lot. I also have two master's degrees...if that helps you.

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The increase in non contact injuries in sports are absolutely on the increase for many years.


Okay.

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Are you implying that one day human beings will be able to run 50-60 miles an hour?


How would you get that from what I typed? Where did I remotely imply that?

What I said was the body is constantly evolving based on the exterior forces it comes up against, like all living things do. You don't have to be a PhD to know how things adapt to their surroundings.

And, like someone else said, all you need to break a record is...what...a 1/10 of a second? So, yeah, I think the body, especially individual bodies, can adapt a change over time to overcome that 1/10 of a second.

Think about your question this way...back on Saturday, April 11, 1896, Alfréd Hajós won the first 100m swim, and I would bet that many there thought that time could never be broken, as he was an olympic champion. Fast forward to Wednesday, July 28, 2021 when Caleb Dressel sets a new olympic record winning the same event.

Mr. Hajós' winning time: 1:22.2
Mr Dressesl's winning time: :47.02

Difference: :35.18

Granted, there have been many advancements in technology of equipment and the condition in which the events are now held, but surely you see the point here.

But, I know where your head is at, so let's take a closer look at this discipline.

1896 - Hajós (HUN): 1:22.2 (OR)
1908 - Charles Daniels (USA) - 1:05.6 (WR)
1912 - Duke Kahanamoku (USA) - 1:03.4
1920 - Duke Kahanamoku (USA) - 1:01.4
1924 - Johnny Weissmuller (USA) - :59.0 (OR) (UNDER 1:00)
1928 - Johnny Weissmuller (USA) - :58.6 (OR)
1932 - Yasuji Miyazaki (JPN) - 58.2
1936 - Ferenc Csik (HUN) - 57.6
1948 - Wally Ris (USA) - :57.3 (OR)
1952 - Clarke Scholes (USA) - :57.4
1956 - Jon Henricks (AUS) - 55.4 (WR)
1960 - John Devitt (AUS) - 55.2 (OR)
1964 - Don Schollander (USA) - :53.4 (OR)
1968 - Michael Wenden (AUS) - 52.2 (WR)
1972 - Mark Spitz (USA) - :51.22 (WR)
1976 - Jim Montgomery (USA) - :49.99 (WR) (UNDER :50)
1980 - Jörg Woithe (GDR) - :50.40 (USA BOYCOTT)
1984 - Rowdy Gaines (USA) - :49.80 (OR)
1988 - Matt Biondi (USA) - 48.63 (OR)
1992 - Alexander Popov (RUS) - :49.02
1996 - Alexander Popov (RUS) - :48.74
2000 - Pieter van den Hoogenband (NLD) - :48.30
2004 - Pieter van den Hoogenband (NLD) - :48.17
2008 - Alain Bernard (FRA) - :47.21
2012 - Nathan Adrian (USA) - :47.52
2016 - Kyle Chalmers (AUS) - :47.58
2021 - Caleb Dressel (USA) - :47.02 (OR)

There you have it, all the winners of the men's 100m swim in the olympics. BTW, the USA has owned this event winning 14/27 times and prolly would've won '80 with Gaines.

But, back to you, Rohan...let's take 1896 and throw it in the garbage - it was held in the open water anyway, as opposed to a pool. That must've sucked.

So, in 1908 the winning time was 1:05.6. It took 16 years to shave 6.6 seconds off that to get under one minute. It took another 52 years to shave an additional 9.01 seconds off that to get under 50 seconds. And, in the last 45 years, they have taken "only" 2.97 seconds off.

Obviously, conditions, equipment, and better training started helping a lot, and fast, here. In the early years you had more time being taken off for the winners and, as time has gone on and athletes have gotten better from a global perspective and most all outside forces are equal, the time gaps have gotten smaller.

So, from 1908 - 2021 we took 18.58 seconds off the winning time. That's 18.58 seconds of 113 years, or 0.16 seconds per year.

From 1924 (the under 1:00 year, and almost 100 years ago) to 2021, we took 11.98 seconds off, or 0.12 seconds per year.

From 1972 - 2021 (almost 50 years) we took 4.2 seconds off, or 0.08 seconds per year.

From 1996 - 2021 (25 years) we took 1.72 seconds off, or 0.06 seconds per year.

From 2012 - 2021 (almost 10 years) we too 0.5 seconds off, or 0.055 seconds per year.

So, to answer your question, do I think someone one day will run or swim at a speed at which cars generally move through highway traffic...no. But I do think that records can be broken for a looooooooooooooong time when the measuring mark is hundredths of a second. Also, I would fully expect that at some point in time they will flip to thousandths, which will keep the record breaking going.

I hope this shows you the level of seriousness in which I took your post, Mr. Gravy.







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re: When will world records cease to be broken?
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The human body is always evolving as it is a living thing that adapts to its surroundings. Some may push THEIR body to its limits, but the human body will adapt over time to people continually pushing theirs, and then procreating those minute DNA changes to their children.

As for your question. Who knows...I guess when someone is such a freak they do something crazy, but my guess is that all records will be broken at some point.

Usain Bolt's triple double isn't going anywhere. It's a safe as Cy Young's wins.

In about 25 to 30 years from now we will all come to terms with the fact that Usain Bolts come along about as often as de Vincis, and he will be properly proclaimed as the greatest athlete ever to live.

We are now 13 years removed from Beijing, and I still can't believe what the hell I witnessed.


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RummelTiger
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re: When will world records cease to be broken?
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Usain Bolt's triple double isn't going anywhere.


It will go down one day, there's no doubt.

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It's a safe as Cy Young's wins.


This record holds, but for different reasons. Teams just don't abuse pitchers like they used to.


Rohan Gravy
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re: When will world records cease to be broken?
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I hope this shows you the level of seriousness in which I took your post, Mr. Gravy.




I appreciate that, but you can call me Ro.


And you did post the “lulz” nonsense, hense my remark.

I get the milliseconds increase in times, but scientists indicate that even this will come to an end without advanced technologies and “cheating” such as steroids and blood doping (oxygen levels) and new ones to be invented.


I realize my original post was ambiguous, but it was also about what the human body can physically endure.

The ligaments and tendons are reaching their limitations while bodies and muscles continue to grow.


Looks like I put you to work today!


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re: When will world records cease to be broken?
When PED’s are stamped out....so probably never


Rohan Gravy
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re: When will world records cease to be broken?
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When PED’s are stamped out....so probably never




Exactly.


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RummelTiger
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re: When will world records cease to be broken?
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I appreciate that, but you can call me Ro.


Thanks, Ro. And, please, call me Rummy!

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Looks like I put you to work today!


Haha! You did! But it was actually kinda interesting, and I learned something from it, so thanks.



Rohan Gravy
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re: When will world records cease to be broken?
And thank you for all the stats, Rummy. (I’m a Cavalier!)

Making me enjoy the Olympics again.


Opening ceremonies were terrible and I wasn’t excited about the games.


But once you start watching, I can’t get enough of it!


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re: When will world records cease to be broken?
Yeah but anything he can do that purple haired soccer “chick” can do better…


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re: When will world records cease to be broken?
When global Marxism arrives and we are sent back to the dark ages.



Thanks Obama


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Obtuse1
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re: When will world records cease to be broken?
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When PED’s are stamped out....so probably never




First juicers always have and always will be a step ahead of WADA, it happens in every proactive/reactive relationship.

The singular motion movements like throwing a baseball will have very slow evolution but even something as short as the 100m sprint or the 50m free are going to continue to see records fall for decades to come. Then the designer babies start to take over. You produce a baby with Bolt/Flo-Jo DNA and we are literally off to the races again.


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QJenk
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re: When will world records cease to be broken?
Flo-Jo's records in the 100 and 200 hasn't been touched. I know she was doping, but she isn't the last women sprinter to dope.

I don't think Usain records will be broken for a long time either.

Both of their records will be broken eventually. But it will be a while. As in I'll be an old man
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