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re: Yeti is getting roasted on FB comments for cutting ties with the NRA

Posted on 4/22/18 at 10:33 am to
Posted by Houma Sapien
up the bayou
Member since Jul 2013
1688 posts
Posted on 4/22/18 at 10:33 am to
You sound more and more like an Edwin Edwards supporter with every post
Posted by HogX
Madison, WI
Member since Dec 2012
5559 posts
Posted on 4/22/18 at 10:37 am to
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Should I be able to contact my Senator or Congressman to talk about various issues, which I will naturally have my own bias about, and to try to convince them to vote a certain way?


Yep. But they don't give a shite about you because you're not lining their pockets so I'm not sure how effective it's going to be.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
294886 posts
Posted on 4/22/18 at 10:38 am to
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You sound more and more like an Edwin Edwards supporter with every post


You sound more like a maid with every post.

I was talking to a lobbyist about an hour ago. His group represents bush communities. His job is to listen to the villages when they need projects (water, sewer, new dock, utility work) and present this to legislators.

The problem is one legislator representing a district makes no difference. The issue has to be communicated will across the whole legislature in order to be effective. He's got to present materials supporting these villages needs in order to show how serious these issues really are.

This is a bad model to you?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
294886 posts
Posted on 4/22/18 at 10:41 am to
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Yep. But they don't give a shite about you because you're not lining their pockets


This is a prime example of how ridiculous our voters are.

All lobby giving is public record and can easily be accessed.

Lobbies are far from the worst part of the process, soft money is the main problem.
Posted by Houma Sapien
up the bayou
Member since Jul 2013
1688 posts
Posted on 4/22/18 at 10:42 am to
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This is a bad model to you?


I suggest you read that second link I provided regarding your "model"
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
294886 posts
Posted on 4/22/18 at 10:43 am to
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I suggest you read that second link I provided regarding your "model"


Your links are from commie propaganda sites, Jethro.

You're being "lobbied" and don't realize it.
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
138138 posts
Posted on 4/22/18 at 10:46 am to
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RogerTheShrubber
my experience with lobby group is not good

Specifically big beer

They use their campaign contributions to compel legislatures to create or maintain legislation that minimizes their competition

In my view, that is not the way that lobbying should work. They use the system to stifle freedom
Posted by HogX
Madison, WI
Member since Dec 2012
5559 posts
Posted on 4/22/18 at 10:48 am to
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All lobby giving is public record and can easily be accessed.


It sure is. Big pharma spent nearly $300 million alone last year to further leverage their position within politics, further our opioid epidemic, and prevent alternatives that they can't make money on from being available to the public. All with misinformation and half-truths. Well, and $300 million.

And at all of the money exchanged actually being public record. I've got some ocean-front property for you.

I had a family member that made a ton of money off of dog kennels. Any time some sort of 'puppy mill' legislation was being tossed around, she would call a good friend of hers that was also a lobbyist and he would "take care of it".

But I'm sure it's a great system.
This post was edited on 4/22/18 at 11:02 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
294886 posts
Posted on 4/22/18 at 10:51 am to
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my experience with lobby group is not good

Specifically big beer

They use their campaign contributions to compel legislatures to create or maintain legislation that minimizes their competition

In my view, that is not the way that lobbying should work. They use the system to stifle freedom


Sure there are some abuses. In any system there will be abuses. If lobby groups are giving money, it's public records and can easily be found.

Campaign contributions are a whole different ball of wax. For the most part, that's a minor part of what a lobby does.
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
22754 posts
Posted on 4/22/18 at 10:53 am to
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Yep. But they don't give a shite about you because you're not lining their pockets



This is a prime example of how ridiculous our voters are.

All lobby giving is public record and can easily be accessed.

Lobbies are far from the worst part of the process, soft money is the main problem.


Exactly. I personally can't meet my Senator or Congressman in-person to convince them to vote a certain way so why shouldn't I be able to join with other, like-minded, individuals to create a lobbying group that will advocate, in person, for what I want?

There is functionally no difference between me , personally, lobbying for an issue and me being a member of the NRA, or Brady Center or any other group that lobbies for specific interests.
This post was edited on 4/22/18 at 10:55 am
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
138138 posts
Posted on 4/22/18 at 10:54 am to
I tried to start a lobby group for term limits

I couldn't get a meeting with anyone

Then I tried to start another for campaign finance reform

I am bad at this lobby game
This post was edited on 4/22/18 at 10:55 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
294886 posts
Posted on 4/22/18 at 10:54 am to
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There is functionally no difference between me , personally, lobbying for an issue and me being a member of the NRA, or Brady Center or any other group that lobbies for specific interests.


Correct.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11764 posts
Posted on 4/22/18 at 10:55 am to
I have no problem with lobbyist. My biggest problem is giving money to campaigns / politicians. That is where to problem is. I don’t think the NRA gives a lot compared to say the Unions. But I don’t think any of them should be able to buy politicians.
Posted by HogX
Madison, WI
Member since Dec 2012
5559 posts
Posted on 4/22/18 at 10:58 am to
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I tried to start a lobby group for term limits

I couldn't get a meeting with anyone

Then I tried to start another for campaign finance reform

I am bad at this lobby game


Bingo. Drain the swamp.
Posted by Sayre
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Nov 2011
5754 posts
Posted on 4/22/18 at 11:05 am to
Casino Jack & the United States of Money

frick lobbyist.

One reason members of congress are so clueless on stuff that they are asked to legislate is because, as in the example of tech issues, they killed their tutor.

How about some impartial information instead of bullshite from someone paid to slant the issues.
This post was edited on 4/22/18 at 11:11 am
Posted by Sayre
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Nov 2011
5754 posts
Posted on 4/22/18 at 11:09 am to
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RogerTheShrubber



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Your links are from commie propaganda sites, Jethro.



When someone uses 'commie' in this fashion, at least they've done you the favor of showing they're irrational and don't really understand what the term really means. There arguments are invariably fallacies and error filled.

They really should just stay on the Poli board with the rest of their kind.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
294886 posts
Posted on 4/22/18 at 11:29 am to
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When someone uses 'commie' in this fashion, at least they've done you the favor of showing they're irrational and don't really understand what the term really means.


Vox is full of commie wannabes chief. Its anti capitalist, far far left propaganda. Do a quick search of their articles. Are you not familiar with Ezra Klien?
This post was edited on 4/22/18 at 11:32 am
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 4/22/18 at 11:43 am to
2000+ comments on Yeti’s post now.

More on all other posts also.

Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
33318 posts
Posted on 4/22/18 at 1:14 pm to
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Lobbies are far from the worst part of the process, soft money is the main problem.
LoL, no

Why do so many defeated pols sign up as lobbyists, then?
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27571 posts
Posted on 4/22/18 at 1:31 pm to
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TD’s official cooler with the markering mistep.



Dumb all around and dumb to not buy something you want because of their foolishness. Buy it and put an NRA sticker over the Yeti logo.

Do you want your beer to stay cold or not!?
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