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re: WSJ: The High-School Juniors With $70,000-a-Year Job Offers
Posted on 5/7/25 at 2:51 pm to Darth_Vader
Posted on 5/7/25 at 2:51 pm to Darth_Vader
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You’re such an idiot you’re comparing STARTING pay and acting like that’s why those guys will make the rest of their lives.
You’re right Darth, Catepillar is actually paying more than double what they say they’re paying for jobs posted online.
It came right out of your mouth, you said within a few years welders for Cat were at or nearing six figures. There’s jobs posted online that REQUIRE 3 YEARS EXPERIENCE that pay less than $30/hour. I mean, just total and verifiable bullshite, can’t be argued. Baffling stuff
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 2:51 pm to Samso
My little brother did welding while in High School with concurrent Community College classes. The kid could not find a job welding after high school. He ended up going into broadcasting because he couldn’t find a welding job.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 2:52 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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There you go. Thanks for proving my point
You really are uniquely special. Are you on the spectrum?
I know the pay range of that company. All I meant was I obviously don't know exactly what each guy is paid. But as a general observation these guys are owning things, paying for groceries, paying for kids educations, etc.
They seem to get by.
This post was edited on 5/7/25 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 5/7/25 at 2:53 pm to litenin
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If these kids havequote:and get licensed eventually, they could retire at 30 and be well set.
just a bit of entrepreneurship
Almost no one does. There are 22 "colleges" (VoTechs) in Georgia that offer a HVAC certification / degree. There are about 20 kids graduating from these programs every 6 months so about 2000 a year. There are 739 active licenses in the state. 94% of those are pulling less than 5 permits a year (according to the SOS) so they ain't worth $10k let alone $2 Million. There are 12,0000 active HVAC technician licenses in the state. Thats about 50 active companies in the state that aren't just someone with a license and at truck out of 12,000 candidates....that is .413% of possible candidates. Not good. Most of those companies aren't worth much....
Posted on 5/7/25 at 2:53 pm to Samso
People don't have to go to college anymore, like people did 20-30 years ago. Of course colleges don't want people knowing that because they don't want a decline in registration, but people can really make a good living without going to college.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 2:56 pm to AwgustaDawg
He took electrical as class but is an actually a Marine Electronics Technician. He chases tugboats and crew boats around the Gulf of America and up the East Coast fixing Radars, GPS units and surveillance systems.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 2:56 pm to Samso
$70K with no debt at 18 vs. being a 27 year old barista making $32K with $150K in student loans for a worthless degree seems like a no-brainer.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 2:56 pm to Aubie Spr96
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In 20 yrs, there will be a shortage of white collar workers as the pendulum swings back.
AI will almost entirely eliminate most of then
As will robotics for most blue collar jobs
Posted on 5/7/25 at 2:58 pm to PoppaD
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I know the pay range of that company. All I meant was I obviously don't know exactly what each guy is paid. But as a general observation these guys are owning things, paying for groceries, paying for kids educations, etc. They seem to get by
Or they’re leveraged up to their tits which is exponentially more likely. The point is you have no fricking clue
Posted on 5/7/25 at 2:58 pm to Tiger Prawn
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Need more of these types of programs in high schools for kids who aren't on track to go to college.
Grew on Long Island. We had this program back in the 90's. We called it "BOCES" which essentially taught welding, carpentry, plumbing, drafting, and other trade based skills to HS kids. It was quite popular with the local Trade Unions donating a portion of the funding and instruction.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 3:00 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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You’re right Darth, Catepillar is actually paying more than double what they say they’re paying for jobs posted online. It came right out of your mouth, you said within a few years welders for Cat were at or nearing six figures. There’s jobs posted online that REQUIRE 3 YEARS EXPERIENCE that pay less than $30/hour. I mean, just total and verifiable bullshite, can’t be argued. Baffling stuff
You really are one of, if not, the most stupid and insecure little boys on this site. You should be required to carry a large potted plant with you everywhere you go to replace the oxygen wasted by your useless existence.
I’ve explained you the difference between starting pay, and how they progress up the pay scale via bi-annual and then annual pay raises. But it’s like your feeble mind cannot comprehend the concept of pay raises.
And you’re citing factory welders while I’m talking about welders who work in our repair shops and field service. You’re talking about shite you have no idea about and, as I said before, you’re making a complete arse of yourself in the process.
This post was edited on 5/7/25 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 5/7/25 at 3:00 pm to AwgustaDawg
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If these kids havequote: just a bit of entrepreneurship and get licensed eventually, they could retire at 30 and be well set.
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Almost no one does
Kind of crazy no one has jumped on this with such a market inefficiency existing. It’s almost like it’s not true
Posted on 5/7/25 at 3:01 pm to Darth_Vader
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I’ve explained you the difference between stating pay, and how they progress up via bi-annual and then annual pay raises.
You haven’t actually. You got caught in a total and utter lie so now you’re melting
Posted on 5/7/25 at 3:01 pm to CHEDBALLZ
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He took electrical as class but is an actually a Marine Electronics Technician. He chases tugboats and crew boats around the Gulf of America and up the East Coast fixing Radars, GPS units and surveillance systems.
SO I would posit that outside of some exposure to OHMs law, which he would have gotten in a high school physics class, his classes in high school have nothing to do with what he is doing for a living. What you are describing is a fairly narrow niche of electronics that is mostly serviced by people with some experience in the military. He is categorically not an electrician, not that you ever claimed he was, that was my mistake reading your OP. The job he is doing is, most likely, less physically demanding than a typical electricians job. He sounds like he is doing very well.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 3:02 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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The point is you have no fricking clue
But wise ole Mingo knows the answers to everything, lol. You are a loser but keep growing that post count.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 3:02 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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You haven’t actually. You got caught in a total and utter lie so now you’re melting
Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better about yourself.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 3:03 pm to PoppaD
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But wise ole Mingo knows the answers to everything
I don’t, and I’m the only one actually saying so. You made something up and are now whining you got called out on… making something up
Posted on 5/7/25 at 3:04 pm to Tantal
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$70K with no debt at 18 vs. being a 27 year old barista making $32K with $150K in student loans for a worthless degree seems like a no-brainer.
This is spot on. If the choice is between, say, art appreciation at UGA and the IBEW Apprenticeship program the latter is the better choice. If, however, it is a choice between a BS in Business Administration at UGA and the person making the choice suspects they may live past the age of 55 or so the BS at UGA is the better option. It does come with a steep cost on the front end but it does not mean you are crippled and drawing a disability social security pension 30 years before full retirement age....
Posted on 5/7/25 at 3:07 pm to Darth_Vader
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Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better about yourself.
This is exactly what you said Darth
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As for guys in the trades, welders with my company can expect to make six figures or close to it after a few years
To which I posted AN ACTUAL JOB WITH YOUR COMPANY that requires 3 years of prior experience and pays NO WHERE NEAR six figures
So a couple of things could be true
1. Welders between year 3 and year 5 are more than doubling their salary. This is almost certainly not true, you’d have to provide some solid evidence to prove otherwise as it’s so outside industry standards it’s not even worth considering
2. Cat treats employees that started with the company day 1 in an extremely preferential manner than they do those they hire with experience. Again, unbelievable
3. You’re full of shite and just made that up
Posted on 5/7/25 at 3:11 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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It came right out of your mouth, you said within a few years welders for Cat were at or nearing six figures. There’s jobs posted online that REQUIRE 3 YEARS EXPERIENCE that pay less than $30/hour. I mean, just total and verifiable bullshite, can’t be argued. Baffling stuff
Having plenty of experience with construction equipment. Their field techs are making six figures, especially at a cat dealer. Their skills are pretty transferable, in demand and dealers are forced to give raises to keep them happy.
Pretty much any non-slap dick job on indeed says "needs 5 years experience" so that is pretty meaningless. If you have no experience, dealers will pay you ok and if you show up and work, there is plenty of room to grow.
If you can work on a crane, which is more involved, you can pretty much name your salary
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